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Wayne High: For 98.

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Stephen M Ward: Okay.

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Wayne High: or 98 did go in as a.

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Stephen M Ward: As.

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Wayne High: A budget request so you're good.

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Stephen M Ward: Great Thank you.

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Matthew Carlos Stehney: Matthew I just met with Maya sundar Casa.

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Matthew Carlos Stehney: uh huh so yeah I mean she.

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Matthew Carlos Stehney: We spoke about her interest and I think it's gonna be really interesting I mean i'm really glad that she's kind of coming to the program so.

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Matthew J Countryman: it's gonna be great to have her yeah I mean it's gonna be incredible cohort in history got three great African American is coming in, so.

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Matthew J Countryman: So yeah so they can take over, we can all go home.

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Wayne High: Good afternoon Matthew Stephen and I were just talking about ways to spend money that has already been approved we've worked on talking anything related to.

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Matthew J Countryman: Stephen Stephen told me about this, so I assume it's the same thing so.

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Stephen M Ward: It is it is.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, welcome everybody good to see you all I don't have a huge agenda today.

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Matthew J Countryman: i'd love to hear about the interview.

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Matthew J Countryman: You all did.

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Matthew J Countryman: and

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Matthew J Countryman: I don't know if Wayne if you have an update on anything on the issues of archiving and storage.

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Wayne High: not yet.

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Wayne High: The only update I have is I figured out how to fund it because of how we've been discussing it okay.

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Matthew J Countryman: All right, and I.

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Matthew J Countryman: don't believe well, I know that Tito the film work to to here and i'm Tara doing with with is it Danny from your class Stephen.

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Matthew J Countryman: Yes, that they're working on it, but I don't there's no updated point for that either so so you want to just go go up me here's Tom speaking for Tara but why don't you go ahead, Stephen.

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Stephen M Ward: Okay.

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Stephen M Ward: So the Ashley to hear, and I did interview with Julius on Tuesday.

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Stephen M Ward: And it was great As she says she plans to come to help to sort of jump in give you her perspective.

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Stephen M Ward: The interview is in the shared drive.

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Stephen M Ward: So a logistical question is I you know when you when you're done with the interview puts all those files in a folder.

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Stephen M Ward: And I suppose I could have just put the whole folder and drive I didn't I just took out the zoom file and put it in the drive and gave it a name and I put the transcription file in there and I think I also put the audio file in there, but is that the proper way to do this, or should.

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Stephen M Ward: I don't like.

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Stephen M Ward: What are the other file one of them is chapters we don't need but there's a fit file.

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Stephen M Ward: But.

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Stephen M Ward: see if I can pull it up here.

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Stephen M Ward: 1234566 is the zone is playback me in three You all know that that's when I don't know what that is.

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Stephen M Ward: But I want to just clarify now while is above my computer I know where to find it because I get confused about where the sub goals will close the window.

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Helen Garbarino: Yes, I to the MP4 I think that's all.

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Helen Garbarino: Yes.

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Helen Garbarino: and have the sound in that.

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Stephen M Ward: Okay, the MP4, is there not every name, again, I said to this guy or something.

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Stephen M Ward: Before okay so um.

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Stephen M Ward: I think it went great.

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Stephen M Ward: is about a lot more than our I think.

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Stephen M Ward: So you know when we listen to this, so we can see what types of follow ups that there may be.

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Stephen M Ward: At the end julie's they say the last question was it was a dlc wanted to share offer ED and he said no, I can't think of anything but i'm sure that a couple days later i'll think of something, and so I say we're always here so.

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Stephen M Ward: If there's any follow ups, I think we could certainly do that.

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Stephen M Ward: But I guess i'll leave it at that, unless you have any other questions.

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Matthew J Countryman: No, I mean, I think, well, I guess that the natural question from what you just said is do you feel like you've covered what you wanted to cover is there, additional.

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Stephen M Ward: yeah I think we did not it didn't you know we didn't get all the questions have a list, but that was saying, but definitely but that's mostly because in answering one he went into areas and so.

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Stephen M Ward: The main areas, he definitely talked about i'm not there may be some follow ups on 111.

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Stephen M Ward: As 111 that he talked about the origins that courses when he first came he taught.

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Stephen M Ward: Cast 100 introduction African steady as mega said he's and there was a separate introduction African studies and so he talked about how he was doing that one that's what it was brought to do.

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Stephen M Ward: But then, how that evolved into 111 he talks a lot about his view that that's really important and the combining of African studies atmosphere in the diaspora.

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Stephen M Ward: little bit about the challenges of but, so I just think that in listening to that again any of us may think of some follow ups there.

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Stephen M Ward: Right habits.

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Stephen M Ward: In this work, we want to really get into that part of our history, so there's nothing going into it, that I wanted to the left, we didn't get to.

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Stephen M Ward: But I do think that's one area where there may be more follow up you might want to do if we really want to go further to that he made he made the point that he feels that cast as dancers, not.

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Stephen M Ward: always fully realized that opportunity and need to to merge the end so I didn't say in the video, but I was very much mindful that.

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Stephen M Ward: We just made a big change which was.

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Stephen M Ward: quite fun alone.

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Stephen M Ward: And I still think that was the right thing to do, and the reasons for that, but i'll say there may be more we want to flesh out with that either take the interview or just in a conversation with Julius.

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Stephen M Ward: Until a mindful, all of us on the call may not be fully aware of all the we're talking about, but over the last few years, with for several years.

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Stephen M Ward: Our main course was as 111 introduction to ask her in this diaspora top jointly by his team talk last by one scholar who folks on after one focuses on some part of the diaspora.

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Stephen M Ward: And that structure was there to give students, a basic foundation, but the problem had them in the course had structurally as a first year class and otherwise had a lot of problems and over several years dealing with those challenges, challenges we may have a curricular decision to.

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Stephen M Ward: move away from that I let him have to say more, if he wants to.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, I mean I think it's precisely the question right because and historically and that's I think the major reason to.

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Matthew J Countryman: to figure out how to highlight that you know, partly.

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Matthew J Countryman: I mean one thing that really brought to the class was a deep commitment to it.

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Matthew J Countryman: yeah right and um you know, and he had partners on the Africa side with that to share that commitment.

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Matthew J Countryman: And we found that when you didn't have people with that and that's you know that's it's not a it's not a small commitment I mean you really have to think about how to.

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Matthew J Countryman: manage all this material and the short semester right so um it really has to be collaborative, in my view, and I think that's what julius's approach to it was, and it was you know.

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Matthew J Countryman: For all reports, and we can might want to think about how we document this actually right that there was a period of a real of real arm excitement in that class for students, and you know I know we have colleagues now on the Faculty who took it as freshmen.

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Matthew J Countryman: and talk about it is important to them.

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Matthew J Countryman: But that that you know magic.

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Matthew J Countryman: Right didn't didn't sustain either when you know, wants to is retired and others were involved in teaching a class who didn't bring that same commitment to it um or comfort, with it, I mean I think that's the other piece right um but also that um.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, we, I mean this is speculative but, but it does feel like.

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Matthew J Countryman: undergrad student by changed.

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Matthew J Countryman: And it wasn't a natural wasn't.

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Matthew J Countryman: wasn't.

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Matthew J Countryman: it's harder and harder to convince students of why we're doing it this way, particularly given the amount of material we're asking people to to manage in their first year.

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Matthew J Countryman: The breath both not only geographic but also chronological breath of the class became it seemed to think seem now i'm not suggesting that.

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Matthew J Countryman: That wasn't an issue before because i'm sure was, but it seems to be increasingly difficult and what we weren't getting from the class was students who were going on to take other classes in our curriculum so that's the decision we've made.

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Matthew J Countryman: what's you know what I think we have to, and this is why this is everything, this is important but decision was not made that that point Julius made, which is that we have to find ways to connect.

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Matthew J Countryman: Africa the diaspora and US context on within the context, not only of our of our scholarship but but within our undergraduate curriculum.

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Matthew J Countryman: remains that that remains the key challenge, and we have come up with a new model for how to do that meet that challenge which we're excited about, but you know it's it's it's a it's something that's going to need to be continually.

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Matthew J Countryman: Re examine to what extent is it working.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, and will be, you know, I think, as we, as we have our you know which well anyway, so another issue about critical now, but how.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know how we keep up with our majors and minors and other students and and and judge whether or not they get they're getting that as connections, because that is obviously the point that department has been for 50 years right to make those connections.

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Matthew J Countryman: that's Why is really important i'm not just that we did the interview, but that we find ways to present it.

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Matthew J Countryman: annotate it so that it, but those issues are there.

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Stephen M Ward: yeah and that and that's precisely why i'm saying that there may be one for follow up.

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Stephen M Ward: For it says, just as you say that I can envision.

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Stephen M Ward: We do another do a short video.

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Stephen M Ward: With Julius where we just ask them to talk for a few minutes five minutes seven minutes about particular.

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Stephen M Ward: Question or topic.

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Stephen M Ward: which could be useful.

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Matthew J Countryman: So, have you, I mean the next steps are not only transcription but annotation right so is that have you got have you figured out how to do that plan who's going to do that.

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Stephen M Ward: I have not, and I have not.

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Stephen M Ward: seen that, as my charge.

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Dolapo Raheemat Raji: From there.

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Matthew J Countryman: No that's great to lotto um I don't.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, maybe you want to consult with Ashley to.

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Matthew J Countryman: So that she has some input into that how.

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Matthew J Countryman: However, you want to work that out.

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Matthew J Countryman: Obviously, actually, you know, has since she was in the interview she can think help with the annotation piece of it.

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Matthew J Countryman: Okay um and having her do some you know and we're sharing the transcription to would be great so.

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Stephen M Ward: I can try to play a role in that as well Aleppo okay well as.

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Stephen M Ward: An opposition to take responsibility responsibility.

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Matthew J Countryman: And this reminder, is it isn't is there one other interviews that is yet now annotated is that the.

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Matthew J Countryman: let's hold back come back to that um.

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Matthew J Countryman: Since Ashley is joining us.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: Everyone i'm sorry I don't have a meeting.

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Matthew J Countryman: The worries no worries we've just been talking about your timings perfect we're just talking about the interview with Julius so i'm.

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Matthew J Countryman: Stephen offered some thoughts on it, and we were talking about process of getting it transcribed and.

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Matthew J Countryman: annotated and so i'm going to the lotto and it's going to work with you on that, if possible.

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Matthew J Countryman: But we want sauce curious what your impressions were.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: I thought it went really well the questions we have were great he was very detailed his responses i'm very thorough in prepare also in they wanted to make sure that he gave the best response possible.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: with as much information and background.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: I think it was great that he had the support yet technologically to just be set up and ready to go.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: yeah I.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: Oh wow we have many complaints.

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Matthew J Countryman: Any surprises for you.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: My power went out.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: That was always surprised really for me.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: um that it served for a second so here's.

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Matthew J Countryman: What he had to say, but I hated.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: Oh no I was really trying to trying to listen, keep up because he he would answer one question for a long time.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: Some of this man is very, very thoughtful and he's making sure that he's he's doing all that he can to give us as much insight as possible, which I thought was very much appreciate it so.

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Stephen M Ward: If I may follow up on that I think you'll see from the video and he says it, I think I think Julius.

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Stephen M Ward: appreciated the opportunity to do this, and so we try to do three of us trying to communicate to him our appreciation of him and to him.

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Stephen M Ward: And then we also have a neglected to say at the beginning that.

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Stephen M Ward: I was not thinking about the transcription at all so Ashley is the one that prompted me to ask you and Matthew i'm beth and Matthew when I asked you about transcription I was because actually asked me about it, so thank you actually for.

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Stephen M Ward: For being on top of that, because otherwise the transcription may live transcript will not happen.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: No problem gotta say something I didn't know if we needed that are supposed to listen and go back and write everything so i'm glad we could get that to get upset yeah.

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Matthew J Countryman: We need to make more work for ourselves and necessary so.

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Arielle Chen: One question.

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Arielle Chen: So when you're talking about the annotations are you also including the timing for each of them because i'm just to see if if we are still going to be cooking all the interviews into topic.

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Arielle Chen: sections and, if so, is anyone who worked on that wanting to do the video cooking or that's something I can help with.

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Stephen M Ward: cheetos.

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Matthew J Countryman: Thanks Sarah that's that's what i've been trying to hint that but that's saying clearly enough um so I mean I think what i'd like.

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Matthew J Countryman: What makes sense to me is that for gelato and Ashley to go through it and not only the transcription but then make recommendation was Stevens help make recommendations for breaking it into shorter.

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Matthew J Countryman: sections that would be that would be annotated right, so that each section when you would know which one section, you want to go through, based on what you were interested in.

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Matthew J Countryman: So that's what I and then so so once they've done that that would be the point Arielle that they could reach out to you.

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Matthew J Countryman: To help with clipping or to Helen.

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Wayne High: Real how are you oh i'm sorry.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, I was gonna say I just went back and look it's the it's the dillard interview that's that's transcribed but not but not clipped and so um I don't know if top of you, and actually want to take.

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Matthew J Countryman: That went on to yeah.

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Dolapo Raheemat Raji: I know I keep forgetting about that, thank you for using yeah.

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Matthew Carlos Stehney: So that the Angela dillard is is edited and clips and your drive.

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Matthew J Countryman: it's just not.

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Matthew Carlos Stehney: uploaded to the website yeah.

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Matthew J Countryman: Okay, great well then, we just need to so nevermind so so Eric do you need assistance to get it all done.

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Arielle Chen: With the videos um.

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Arielle Chen: I got it was able to get a link from JESSICA, who provided us with a like you have them version of YouTube where we can upload videos and then be able to embed them onto the website so now that I got that from her yesterday I should be able to get videos.

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Arielle Chen: here.

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Matthew J Countryman: Great so that's all set that's good to.

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Matthew J Countryman: Ask.

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Matthew J Countryman: Question mm hmm.

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Ashley Marie Hayes: I was on the transcriptions were pretty different or they were taken up in different ways this one's not there is is their preferred model that you want us to use to transcribe clouds and, at the end they weren't necessarily all the same type of format.

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Wayne High: was a question I was about to ask Arielle about the timing, because.

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Wayne High: What we did with some was we ran it through a.

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Wayne High: Software the transcription and then you all would come in and do the cleanup.

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Wayne High: Yes, so right Arielle, would you please.

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Wayne High: help me make sure I get that straight so.

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Wayne High: Which is preferred to do first transcription overall and then clip or what.

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Arielle Chen: i'm.

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Arielle Chen: Probably transcription overall the.

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Arielle Chen: annotations for each section and then clippings on can make sure that the transcription matches the clips matches the annotation.

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Arielle Chen: In terms of the ones that are already in them a couple of them were done by hand, which is why they look different than the ones that are run through the program versus the ones that were transcribed first and then edited based on the transcription.

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Arielle Chen: Overall, trying to stick with the themes having a title and then maybe one or two bullet points, and then the transcription just going by.

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Arielle Chen: Name what they said name what they said and that's I think the way that the law bona and I were working on it, because we did it based off of the program processing, because the first couple of interviews, we did not have the line can live transcriptions on okay.

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Wayne High: If you don't mind, please send those on those two out to be transcribed and then we can deliver or turn it over to Ashley and Aleppo for cleanup of the language, and we can just use the email communication that you have from the previous for this reconciliation.

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Matthew J Countryman: This isn't the direct answer your question area, but as I look at it, there is a transcription posted have an interview with Angela it just needs to be tied to the clips.

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Matthew J Countryman: And I suspect, those were done before we were doing the Trent the live transcriptions.

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Stephen M Ward: Correct that's yeah I did the work why wasn't a view and I did not know about live transcript, so there is no laughter I.

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Matthew J Countryman: change that that's right, and then we also need to get a mechanism for transcribing those and I don't know I mean I don't know if it's possible to arrow do you know, is it possible to get zoom to do it post facto or do we need to.

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Arielle Chen: So all of the old transcriptions I actually sent them and they are currently the draft versions, that the lab and I were working on are currently in the document that says pest transcription red.ai Okay, have not been organized.

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Matthew J Countryman: So we need to do, then, is figure out on the on the woods and the Bowman is who's going to do the final.

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Matthew J Countryman: yeah matt would you have time to read through the woods and see where do you think it's I mean the Bowman i'm sorry and and just check it for clarity and acronyms and things like that.

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Matthew J Countryman: And then I mean i'm assuming i'm just feeling like another set of eyes is probably a good idea um so Stephen new is it who else was in the interview with woods, besides.

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Matthew J Countryman: um I mean it's you know there's a different a couple different ways there's no deadline here so it's just a matter of whether you want to do it at some point you have some time or do you want to.

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Matthew J Countryman: Maybe have somebody you know somebody else read through it and see what questions they have for you or.

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Stephen M Ward: Not I can I can do it eventually, but if we're talking about is there is a transcript available.

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Matthew J Countryman: This is the both worlds and Bowman yeah can you let matt and Stephen know when it when they're ready for them.

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Stephen M Ward: Okay got it now, can I put out two things quickly to on the website to for the oral histories, in terms of the lack of uniformity.

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Matthew J Countryman: But let's that's I don't think that's The next thing to do, and we should once we get everything done, we can do that.

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Elizabeth James: i've been in touch with him Stephen so I know that he's he's doing great and.

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Stephen M Ward: What else in a message, a couple from from both of you, for both of us, I copy you and was invited to do it.

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Elizabeth James: With folks that we plan on interviewing we had gone big and had a lot of people identify and we decided to make that a little more realistic and so we're going to start with.

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Elizabeth James: What we call the what I call the dynamic duo we're going to interview je ne and Andre who were desk majors and they were just a phenomenal.

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Elizabeth James: The DAS did we have actually to South Africans study abroad running at the same time, going over there, and there were a lot of adventures from that.

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Elizabeth James: And that's going to be a joint interview which we thought would provide a different dynamic in terms of them being able to riff off of one another and just.

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Elizabeth James: Their journey through DAS together because Andre used to work in DAS to at the front office, he was here during what I call the Derek Gilbert years.

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Elizabeth James: We had a lot of really interesting personalities at the time when they were here and they can speak to that as well as I thought, when you were talking about Julius Andre will have some interesting things to say about his experiences taken Julius is 111 so.

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Elizabeth James: They went through you know our curriculum during that period, and so we're going to do we're going to interview them and then our other interviews going to be with Devon.

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Elizabeth James: because she not only was student she was staff, she broke off and became one of the founding administrators at the African studies Center and she also did a study abroad to Ghana, that was not a part of DAS, but while she was a student, so I think that you know she'll provide a really.

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Elizabeth James: Interesting window into looking at data from many different facets, so they great to start with.

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Elizabeth James: So you'll have that experience of you know interviewing with us and Tara will get her international component and we just thought that they'd be a great place to start.

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Arielle Chen: The issue is some of them combine the transcript and the clip description, some of them don't, so I think that moving.

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Arielle Chen: All of the clip descriptions can then link them to the video if they want to watch it let it all together, rather than having these different pieces because right now, not all the videos actually have transcripts of their title transcript but they're actually just the.

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Matthew J Countryman: Perfect okay so let's we'll get all that cleaned up.

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Matthew J Countryman: I realized that I think what i'd like to do for the Faculty and next to faculty once we do our Lewis and volume mccloy.

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Matthew J Countryman: And i'm thinking that maybe i'll try to reach out to them now, so that maybe we'll be shooting for late April early May with them as a term winds up.

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Matthew J Countryman: set of Grad students in psychology with strong ties to cast at the time and then joined the Faculty.

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Matthew J Countryman: In the early 80s, with a joint appointment, I believe, or at least he was teaching in cast pretty I don't know exactly the details of that, but she taught a course called the world of a black child, for decades, though.

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Matthew J Countryman: Still teaching the class but it for a long time it was.

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Matthew J Countryman: quarter, the debt cast curriculum.

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Elizabeth James: And she was first black woman tenured at the university.

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Matthew J Countryman: I think she was not the first, but she was the only at the time.

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Matthew J Countryman: But obviously because of an era and others before her, but she was.

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Matthew J Countryman: known for a long time she was the only black.

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Matthew J Countryman: Woman tenured university and in the 90s, and then, and obviously URL was.

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Matthew J Countryman: chair of cast in the early 90s.

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Matthew J Countryman: Before going on to the dean of the graduate school and then provost at emory and then he's now he's back so again key physical memory, so I will reach out to them and let them know we're interested in see what they.

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Matthew J Countryman: What they're.

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Matthew J Countryman: i'm.

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Matthew J Countryman: All right, any other.

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Matthew J Countryman: topics, we need to discuss this week updates.

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Helen Garbarino: not really to discuss but Arielle and I met with JESSICA yesterday, we have a few options we're going to discuss with Wayne a few different avenues, but there.

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Helen Garbarino: She left me with.

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Helen Garbarino: Questions yeah yeah but also using the wordpress and using other resources in the university to combine them.

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Helen Garbarino: We have a few different a few different options, but she gave me a huge list of questions i'm going to go through with Wayne and kind of determine what's the right path.

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Matthew J Countryman: Great great to hear.

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Matthew J Countryman: Other updates.

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Elizabeth James: So just that today we have the.

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Elizabeth James: Women in activism, which will contain some dance alum from the Tower take over in 2012 I mean in 2010.

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Elizabeth James: know in 2001 20th anniversary oh my gosh.

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Matthew J Countryman: Like it was yesterday bath I remember when.

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Elizabeth James: i'm thinking oh my God yep so that's i'm gonna dip out to go help with that, and they are all very excited that desk agreed to be a Co sponsor so i'm really glad we were able to be.

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Matthew J Countryman: That i'm hoping to to check to come join that for a while, so.

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Matthew J Countryman: Great well then.

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Matthew J Countryman: It sounds like we should stop now, I will see you all next week.

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Matthew J Countryman: it's ridiculously warm for Michigan and Martin.