The 70.
Elizabeth James: So.
Elizabeth James: You know.
Elizabeth James: When they re emerged in the 90s, it was not new, they had really been strong long before the office of international programs began and way before sieges and.
Elizabeth James: The other unit that works on the study abroad on GCC.
Elizabeth James: Before they.
Elizabeth James: We can because I remember at Miller and some of the others who had been involved in the foundation of.
Elizabeth James: sieges came today asked asked our advice about certain you know issues dealing with travel abroad.
wow.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: wow amazing yeah I think reconstructing some of those in more detail would be brilliant so Deborah also gave us the name of.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Others who were involved in and study abroad during that time that earlier time period and 70s and 80s yeah dunlap war yeah sorry that we ran over with that interview, but it was really good I was just pulling them in on.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: That.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: A little bit about it.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: was very interesting really in Atlanta.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: I could feel a lot of our image like this.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: it's an it's a happy accident, I should have beautiful stories about experiences in Nigeria, which I would want to get more about why it was interesting.
Wayne High: So, while we are Rom.
Wayne High: Okay, I guess, I need to touch base with nisha she's been looking at the videos enjoying the view but not renaming as we need so.
Wayne High: Note to self touch base with me sure.
Elizabeth James: Well, I know he's been working on that GCC because we've been going back and forth on her tcp project and getting that flyer together because she kept sending me ones that had some errors, so we got that straightened out and sent those out today, but it was like bit by bit, so.
Elizabeth James: You know, maybe now she'll have well they know those symposiums next weekend so maybe once she's done with that should have a little more time.
Wayne High: You know I think she had a lot of things happening at wants to include her manuscript while she was working with you, so now that we're able to compare notes.
Wayne High: I see that as the third thing that was going on, and I think she may have had a couple others that were occurring So hopefully I can get her to.
Wayne High: Not only reminisce reminisce and label the study abroad, because I know she's access them and she seen them because she's talked with me about it.
Elizabeth James: Oh.
we'll do what we can.
Wayne High: Matthew now that you are here, I guess, I can.
Wayne High: Lead off with the first update.
Wayne High: And that is last meeting we were talking about memory and data storage, to be exact, I was able to talk with Joel Bauer, this week, had an email exchange with him, Joe is the research and computing consultant who answers to amy Peters and.
Wayne High: What we got from him was an invitation to come to their Tuesday office hours, where we can refine what we are asking for what we've asked for is.
Wayne High: The turbo storage, I think I shared my screen, the other meeting, so that everyone could see the options that were available to us, but couple that with the fact that we had some security access questions that we still need to have answered so he's going to bring his.
Wayne High: TEAM members to this meeting, where myself Arielle and Helen will join their office hours, so we can get smart on those options.
Wayne High: The storage ask has been for somewhere between 25 to 50 terabytes of information and we realize that some of how we some of our storage methods may need to stay the same, and that we have some of our material out on dropbox.
Wayne High: And so, while we might leave some of the material on dropbox the research material we're looking at how we can make that accessible to people who want to do research but that's why the ask was so large because we do have quite a few areas that would be.
Wayne High: attractive to people do our research.
Wayne High: And Arielle Helen did I miss anything.
Helen Garbarino: I don't think so.
Matthew J Countryman: My apologies for being late it's challenging back to back when I read the Executive Committee meeting.
Matthew J Countryman: So thanks Wayne those are that's really helpful um.
Matthew J Countryman: I.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah I mean look forward to hearing what what what they say, I think, obviously, if I always say the concerns would be the partly the research, the ability to access materials, but also issue of.
Matthew J Countryman: Sustainability right right right, so that this stuff just doesn't disappear at some point.
Matthew J Countryman: we're looking at making it clear we imagine this, not as a.
Matthew J Countryman: short term.
Matthew J Countryman: anniversary thing, but as a permanent feature of our of our department of our public facing work but also have our our scholarship and pedagogy.
Correct.
Wayne High: Arielle sent me a link earlier today, which I haven't had a chance to.
Wayne High: register for but.
Wayne High: If you have.
Wayne High: A dropbox account, please take the right steps to make sure you register, so that you get ported over when the migration does happen.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah.
Matthew J Countryman: it's actually this is it's always irritating when they say they're gonna do something different, but this one is nice, because I was paying dropbox to store stuff and now the universities paying for that I got a bunch of money back once I converted over so.
Matthew J Countryman: People should do that definitely.
Stephen M Ward: So this is.
Arielle Chen: Just to clarify this is for anyone who has files in inbox because that's going to be going away.
Arielle Chen: And if you have five if you have files and dropbox you want to make sure that you get it registered with your you have an account, so you don't have to pay for storage and all of your files from inbox.
Arielle Chen: quarter to dropbox because that's what we're going to be using currently the website is.
Arielle Chen: Has files that are housed in dropbox because we're able to embed them into websites, like the videos the audios from gmail things like that.
Arielle Chen: And I think that there will be more information coming out about the specific details in terms of that migration.
Matthew J Countryman: Stephen will you say to them.
Stephen M Ward: Yes, so.
Stephen M Ward: thanks for that clarification area that.
Stephen M Ward: As a part of what I was asking.
Stephen M Ward: I guess i'll just leave it so we're we're we have been told already, but we will be tell it again about what to do in terms of the registration is a situation to be looking at i'm not sure if I need to do this, but.
Stephen M Ward: i'll look into it.
Matthew J Countryman: So the thing is it right so what's been the university storage van box, you can be all is dropbox if you have stuff in inbox and you want to there's a.
Matthew J Countryman: method, a link to convert that stuff to dropbox the other piece of it is you already have a personal dropbox.
Matthew J Countryman: And you want to link that to your U of m dropbox because then all that material be combined over and if.
Matthew J Countryman: If you've paid dropbox any for any amount of storage for you, you know, whatever it'll be prorated as a as a credit to you from dropbox but that doesn't involve university a straight to what However, your payment method is.
Matthew J Countryman: guys.
Matthew J Countryman: I just paid for a year and then.
Stephen M Ward: They told me I could do oh wow okay.
Matthew J Countryman: I got I got a lot money back.
Helen Garbarino: refund you.
Helen Garbarino: yeah okay guys.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Because I have some books yeah okay cool.
Matthew J Countryman: um.
Matthew J Countryman: Great Let me give you a quick update on a couple things from my end.
Matthew J Countryman: Some fun one is that I did a five minute actually went over presentation for the humanities church directors on the website this week and got lots of positive news yeah stick response to that, so that was great.
Matthew J Countryman: played I played I played the the trailer for them that's that's probably why I went over.
Matthew J Countryman: And I wanted I wanted them to hear RON hair, so I just thought, you know that was too much fun and.
Matthew J Countryman: And I got it I got some definitely comments on on it was the best music, so it was it was the right, it was the right age cohort for the music.
Matthew J Countryman: So that was fun and then the second thing is, I actually just scheduled a meeting with comfort about the deals we've been working on, and so we have an opportunity to talk to her and.
Matthew J Countryman: And presuming that will follow up will follow that up with some time to go look firsthand at the materials in our store on so which I think I will join them because I haven't actually ever done that either so it'll be good for me to do that as well, so.
Matthew J Countryman: I think those are my only updates for today.
Elizabeth James: So Stephen do I mean i'm Matthew will comfort, be able to.
Elizabeth James: i'm thinking about to work with Kirsten.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah so let's oh yeah no, thank you for that um well.
Elizabeth James: It kind of tie in a little, I think.
Matthew J Countryman: So we've got right we've got these three pieces that we have to figure out how they how they fit together.
Matthew J Countryman: So I did get kiersten to go ahead right so and to work with you and thank you beth for she's so excited I can't I mean they're just like over the top excited about working with you.
Matthew J Countryman: So the museum studies program is going to sign an intern this summer to do a retrospective on the desk gallery.
Matthew J Countryman: likely to include on, and this is for the folks working on, to work out but likely to include an exhibit in the gallery, at some point next year as well as something for the for our website.
Matthew J Countryman: And the thought i'm confirming beth so if anything I say doesn't fit your understanding, please stop me but is that this would be.
Matthew J Countryman: would look at the at the at the history of the gallery, but in the context of the longer history of visual culture exhibits in the department, going back to the first house right so that's the thinking of on that.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: At the same time i'm meeting with Ray on Monday to talk with him about his ideas for.
Matthew J Countryman: Something on the website that would that would.
Matthew J Countryman: capture revisit the work that his team did in the years they were running together.
Matthew J Countryman: And my take on the two those two things is that they are obviously intersecting but that can be distinct projects because the time raises a very narrow time window, the other ones, a much broader time window i'm raise own Ray has been pretty clear that he doesn't want.
Matthew J Countryman: The gallery piece his gallery piece to be part of his retirement thing and that's fine.
Matthew J Countryman: I mean it's fine, since it has been does not fire, not by doesn't matter it's what it's what he wants so that's, the better.
Matthew J Countryman: And then the third piece is comfort and how that fits in.
Matthew J Countryman: and
Matthew J Countryman: that's what i've talked to comfortable on her and her, she is not her charge doesn't specifically relate to the issue of exhibit exhibition or gallery exhibit right her charges to make sense of our holdings.
Matthew J Countryman: and particularly the ones, relative to colonial Africa and so that's a completely different set of questions.
Matthew J Countryman: That said, you know she she will in developing that will have access to the materials and.
Matthew J Countryman: You know i'm i'm like I want to close the doors to her and how she wants what she thinks is the proper and that's it and so again what we've asked her for is not a is not is a different thing it's a proposal for how to make sense of all that stuff.
Matthew J Countryman: and
Matthew J Countryman: That could include and I said to her, I hope, it would include some kind of maybe a blog.
Matthew J Countryman: that she would write that would.
Matthew J Countryman: be the US on the website that was sort of capture some of that um.
Matthew J Countryman: But, particularly now that I understand better.
Matthew J Countryman: um those particularly complicated images and material objects and how we came to hold them, which is that they are not.
Matthew J Countryman: There they came after you know, in the 80s right, I believe.
Elizabeth James: In the 90s early 90s.
Matthew J Countryman: And that they didn't the people who gave them to us we're not you event people in any particular way.
Matthew J Countryman: I am not sure I mean I haven't I haven't even had a chance to say that's a complete submission to see how she responds to that, but I think it does mean it's a very different.
Matthew J Countryman: You know it's because we've never used them will just help them right I just think that means that there's a little bit less.
Matthew J Countryman: writing on it in a certain kind of way not that we still don't have responsibility to talk about it clearly but it's just it's just it's a different thing so i'm i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: You know I just I just want her to be to give us a sense of what would be the right thing to do, that's that's all it and then beyond that is not much at stake.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So I think will be useful when you meet with conflict Matthew also just to lay out those three projects like you did here, because I know when she saw the.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: advertisement that I think, maybe best you sent out to a compiled about the intern museum internship comfort was a bit confused as to whether this was this would be part of her project or.
Elizabeth James: Different what wouldn't fit on her yeah.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah so so maybe just.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Fears along those lines.
Matthew J Countryman: The bulk of the gallery stuff is contemporary.
Matthew J Countryman: Not the.
Matthew J Countryman: Right so that's that's the other distinction that didn't make sense right so that.
Matthew J Countryman: Right, we have because we because we because we, thankfully, have not exhibited.
Matthew J Countryman: As far as I know.
Matthew J Countryman: So.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah yeah and it seems like from what comfort was telling me that the collection is huge and it's going to it's going to take quite a long time to figure out the.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The 10 that she used that you mentioned that the provenance, I think, was the term that you use sort of the origins, the the way in which it was acquired etc so um yeah so maybe picking a chunk of that was what she is she you know we'll talk more.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah we're good I yeah I mean I think if I mean i'm very open to her picking a chunk of it as a way to.
Elizabeth James: To try to address it, because Matthew, I think, even when you all go down and see what's down there you're going to get a sense that.
Elizabeth James: death is really had a background that to me kind of almost feels like the end of raiders of the lost Ark.
Elizabeth James: We acquire a lot of really strange collections through a variety of things isley Missouri gave us his.
Matthew J Countryman: collection.
Elizabeth James: The baker Mandela Center gave us their.
Elizabeth James: Collection when people were closing they scramble they were like oh death will take it for a while we had a piece of bs shoes history, then a sixth grade teacher came and gave us a bunch of crates of music black music it's like all along the way, there have been people who.
Elizabeth James: gave us things and somehow we became this repository of.
Matthew J Countryman: what's called in Harry Potter.
Elizabeth James: room that's the.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: requirement remember requirement.
yeah.
Elizabeth James: that's what we got.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: All the objects across the generations.
Matthew J Countryman: section of our website called the room of acquiring it's just photos of the.
Of the story.
Elizabeth James: stephen's got some.
Elizabeth James: Look at.
Elizabeth James: Those who are regional posters from the.
Matthew J Countryman: 1984 99 or eight whatever it is.
yeah.
Elizabeth James: it's like you know you name it we got it down there for a while we had some clothes and we finally just decided wait a minute.
Elizabeth James: Here is still fabric.
Matthew J Countryman: I want, I want that stuff.
Matthew J Countryman: For the task for anti racism Task Force report, there were about to go public with.
Arielle Chen: He is supposed to return those eventually to the vast collection.
Matthew J Countryman: Oh, I want to images of the model, as you want the actual i'm not.
Stephen M Ward: i'm i've already put I took photos of them and those followers are in the faster to.
Stephen M Ward: drive and I get and i'm I have them for safekeeping so when one of the TRIPS we've made to the basement some things that put up in my office.
Stephen M Ward: And then, a few months ago, when I went to the office to good books I brought them to show the students in the class and it took pictures So yes, there'll be returned that i'm just keeping them.
Stephen M Ward: keeping them safe worry from the rats and roaches in the spiders and.
Elizabeth James: Goodness gracious for a while and I wouldn't have been surprised if shaky jake wasn't living down there, I mean it's just everything's Johnny.
Matthew J Countryman: And nobody in this me know shaky jake is.
Matthew J Countryman: Maybe Stephen.
Matthew J Countryman: Do you even know Jackie Jackie Stephen.
Stephen M Ward: I know.
Stephen M Ward: away here.
Elizabeth James: I have just aged out good.
Matthew J Countryman: Matthew eight oh.
Elizabeth James: My gosh.
Matthew J Countryman: He was this one bath.
Elizabeth James: I know he was an Ann arbor legend who spent a lot of time on the diag of with his guitar he was like a blues singer that didn't.
Elizabeth James: know what stop his claim to fame was he had played somewhere and he came back to Ann arbor.
Elizabeth James: And he will you just saw him everywhere and he'd be like moving on moving on and then David Alan grier took his character and created a character that then he did on living color that was based off this character.
Stephen M Ward: Because he went he didn't David Alan grier in.
Stephen M Ward: here.
So right.
Stephen M Ward: So one of those carrots, he did on living color was was.
Elizabeth James: The one who just talk out the top of his head.
Elizabeth James: And he lived from the Ann arbor the main Ann arbor district library and he just was this fascinating little man who always dressed in like a zoot suit and just was like spout these I don't want to call them with witnesses wisdom, but it was.
Elizabeth James: You just never knew where he bought one time, I was in the girls restroom.
Stephen M Ward: And he was in there, while.
Elizabeth James: He it was like what are you doing in here shaky jake you know you just never knew.
Stephen M Ward: wow.
Elizabeth James: And then they hit.
Stephen M Ward: him hard.
Elizabeth James: And he would he would be at the palouse he'd be where.
Stephen M Ward: you're working.
Elizabeth James: At jake was there, and he usually have coffee over by West hall right there were on anto is now Ellen he'd be at that little coffee shop on the corner outside having his coffee and people would buy coffee and you know and then became to me i'm.
Elizabeth James: kind of I don't know turn kind of bad because, after a while they started calling him, like our mascot so then people started.
Elizabeth James: So i'm bumper stickers That said, I.
love.
Matthew J Countryman: And I don't know why folks love.
Elizabeth James: Yes, he loved in the.
Matthew J Countryman: novel good.
Elizabeth James: It was so complicated, but he he kind of use that for his to his advantage because people would.
Elizabeth James: always give me money the frat kids loved it.
Elizabeth James: And it was just very strange but yeah that's why I just said he might pop up anywhere.
continues.
Elizabeth James: And there was another Dr diane was there to before the ECON building burned down.
Matthew J Countryman: It just.
Matthew J Countryman: For now that's before my time.
Elizabeth James: That was the ECON building used to be in that grassy knoll that's across from Shapiro we had a huge ECON building and there was a man who had.
Elizabeth James: been a again legend when he was a ECON Professor that like lost it and he would stand out and give lectures to people, and that was Dr diag so.
wow does he have.
Elizabeth James: yeah that would have been my undergrad.
Stephen M Ward: But doesn't die was previously it calm Professor.
Elizabeth James: yeah and the strange thing is, is to black men so.
Stephen M Ward: You know both these guys shaky jake about the combo black that's what you're saying.
Elizabeth James: mm hmm so how they came to be.
Elizabeth James: These.
Elizabeth James: Part of the legend in my.
Matthew J Countryman: Car of an Armor.
Stephen M Ward: bearer great names chicken Jager bomb name.
Stephen M Ward: We can ask people about them and some spin.
Stephen M Ward: For us to.
Matthew J Countryman: say bye Thank you jake is he was everywhere in town wasn't just campus is everywhere right.
Matthew J Countryman: And beloved everywhere in ways that were you know cringe of making often.
Matthew J Countryman: But you can't blame him, he was just making it was just making.
Stephen M Ward: Making right.
Stephen M Ward: So.
Elizabeth James: It same moving on moving oh That was what.
Elizabeth James: It was.
Elizabeth James: Just a little unnerving at times because you never knew where he.
Matthew J Countryman: And you never know what's gonna come up with one of our meetings.
Elizabeth James: But now you've got me thinking Stephen i'm going to ask Tara and.
Elizabeth James: Ashley and I have a meeting set up for our first of our alumni interviews with Devon on.
Elizabeth James: Monday and since she's a townie i'm going to ask her about shaky jake.
Elizabeth James: Here, with him.
Elizabeth James: So what was that, like as a child, and when shaky jake.
Elizabeth James: huh.
Stephen M Ward: yeah it'll be good as overall get her perspective of someone being comin comin over again TIM, do you have them in their works for.
Elizabeth James: Exactly that's what i'm thinking that's what we started with her, and then the consecutive week next Monday, the 19th will have ginny and Andre together.
Elizabeth James: So that'll be.
Elizabeth James: And they're both will andres birthdays today they're 38 so they're coming the next generation after Devon so.
Elizabeth James: that'll give us the early 2000 perspective from them and janine I have to let you all know, is the as she said, the President of the Stephen Ward fan club, she was when Stephen first arrived, she was like.
Elizabeth James: You made a good choice, she really, really.
Elizabeth James: So appreciated, you know, having.
Elizabeth James: A younger perspective because most of the Professor she had in desk or older professor, so I think him coming with T shirts just seemed like somebody like wow where were their professors who are like this, because they had missed Robin being here.
Elizabeth James: But I think Devon took Robin Kelly so that'll be yeah I think.
Elizabeth James: yeah we'll have some good questions so tyra and Ashley and I are working on question so if you all can think of any questions that you would like to ask of our alumni please feel free to share them with us really, really appreciate them.
Matthew J Countryman: So I really I should just.
Matthew J Countryman: Say that Tara and to hear and I are working on or they're working on, for me, a plan for.
Matthew J Countryman: Taking the video to the next stage, which we hope to a plan to.
Matthew J Countryman: figure out how to do early to mid summer.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah.
that's right.
Matthew J Countryman: right with the idea that.
Matthew J Countryman: Again, like all things things it'll be at a position where we're ready we're comfortable with having it on the website, but also aware that we may well use it as a.
Matthew J Countryman: step to a larger story or larger you know, in a more professionally produced one, yes, if if that seems feasible so we're trying to you know have it be.
Matthew J Countryman: done in a way that allows it to it works and work in progress it's not going to be a done thing, but a work in progress that could be used for additional things and we're so that's that's.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Good as well yeah that's right and to hear and I had a meeting with Danny as well.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: How Graham and danny's on board to work into the summer and is still really excited about the project she's for the purpose of stephens class she's doing.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: A chunk of what will form part of that 10 minute documentary so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: To hear and I have sort of divided the documentary into three parts, the first is.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The coming into being of cats through student activism, and so on, demands that result in the formation of cats, the second part is that intellectual rigor and debates within cast so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Bringing in Harold crews yasuda Casa cedric Robinson, and the third part is the kind of casting desk as a space of Community building and creativity and.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: and slow yeah Danny is working on that third chunk on desk space of sort of creativity using some some wonderful old footage from the bentley collection of cultural activities and.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So I think that that's what she's building on building for stephen's class, but will also form part of the the documentary itself so yeah it was a really good meeting and I think we're Matthew we're on track for July ugly if not earlier than that.
Elizabeth James: Great that'll be beautiful because i'm thinking also with that museum studies intern the cultural component will be very helpful to whoever's.
Elizabeth James: they choose, because you know, putting it in the context of why will we having art exhibits in the hallways over in West Hall, why we, you know why would re propose gallery space.
Elizabeth James: In Dallas and you know what has since become a bit you know post re you know some of the exhibits I think Stephen of like.
Elizabeth James: to sing America and our other one that we did with.
Elizabeth James: Under tire the one that the bentley will be curated Detroit from back in time, that was a collaboration with the bentley that we did so, there have been a number of things that you know kind of tie the arts, with the collaboration that we.
Stephen M Ward: were also there one was around Jim and john right in the work their work with the.
Stephen M Ward: statue one.
Elizabeth James: Right right, because I think a lot of people lose track of that that we had to two professors from our our department were instrumental and choosing the mlk.
memorial.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: beth and Stephen if you have materials on this like photos or if it's in the bentley that would be great as well as we move toward.
Elizabeth James: um I know I have some in my office Professor shaffer's gave me, which was such an honor like his whole set of his plans.
Elizabeth James: And there somewhere in this room of requirement.
office somewhere.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: On the weekend is that X to.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: charm just get exactly where to.
Elizabeth James: it's somewhere in one of those tubes and then we have all shaquan remember i'm Stephen sure I mean i'm.
Elizabeth James: i'm Wayne Chicago shaquan put together all of our posters from all of our different.
Elizabeth James: Events over the years we've got those catalogs and there.
Elizabeth James: There I believe in more in our space.
Elizabeth James: 15 Warren.
Wayne High: Some of it on the fifth and some other on the fourth floor.
Elizabeth James: floor yeah we put those in chronological order so that may really be home for for Danny with the cultural.
Elizabeth James: that's.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Great and post a sharp sharp ready nicely to to have like boom boom boom a whole lot of posters.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Through the years.
Wayne High: That would be really nice there's a lot of fosters.
Elizabeth James: anything from 2016.
Helen Garbarino: On just let me know I probably have it.
Matthew J Countryman: No beth I just looked it's the 10th anniversary of the moral of the summer.
Elizabeth James: In.
August.
Matthew J Countryman: And the formal opening was in October, because it gets postponed because of a hurricane.
Matthew J Countryman: So i'm wondering if.
Matthew J Countryman: We want to do something.
Matthew J Countryman: An event in the fall, maybe for students on 10 years.
Elizabeth James: That be amazing and pull in Professor shaffer's and ED Jackson i'm still in touch with him, he was the chief architect, and he gave a talk for us before with on Professor chambers and lockhart they had a whole symposium and it was centered around Professor lock arts home.
Elizabeth James: Maybe it was his 80th birthday, but they they had a two day symposium that we held over in the league.
Elizabeth James: So.
Matthew J Countryman: No, I remember going to something must have been that summer before it open at the Detroit Center to.
The gym chambers.
Matthew J Countryman: Because I knew some of the students organized tab so.
Elizabeth James: Well, they all absolutely that was great they really, really enjoyed that so yeah I have to dig that stuff up but for boy, just when I thought I was going to have.
Matthew J Countryman: it's never be nice to get him on tape talking about it.
Oh.
Matthew J Countryman: However, whether it's an event or just at all, we need to do an issue with him so.
Elizabeth James: mm hmm and to get edge Jackson as his students perspective of the role that he played for architecture students because.
Elizabeth James: we're beside just recently, and they were talking about architecture.
Elizabeth James: Oh, in your class Stephen.
The one young man.
Elizabeth James: said, you know our history is so strong within DAS for the school of architecture with Professor chambers presence and his study abroad to Ghana.
Stephen M Ward: Right.
Elizabeth James: Now, South Africa.
Elizabeth James: Because I think she named went with.
Elizabeth James: out but we'll find out when we interview, but I believe janine went to South Africa.
Elizabeth James: With.
Elizabeth James: i'm not sure who she was when she might have been legit zero Henry.
Stephen M Ward: or.
Elizabeth James: To think about that, but I know she went to Ghana with Professor shaffer's.
Stephen M Ward: Okay that's because I remember going to ground and that's what I remember.
Elizabeth James: right because remember but South Africa, she did the beautiful exhibit of all the gates and showing people gated in are gated out.
Elizabeth James: Due to you know the post apartheid era, how they were still all these gates present across South Africa, I know she must still have their material so that would be something to Tara that we have to remember to ask her about because Andre.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: He could good point.
Elizabeth James: The commentary history of South Africa, he was finding food all across the country but geneva's find in the arts so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: i'll make a note on I interview page.
Elizabeth James: Great oh great.
Stephen M Ward: way as a couple of quick questions.
Stephen M Ward: For Danny danny's involvement beyond July.
Stephen M Ward: You do we already have, if not, can we make arrangement arrangement to to pay her for that.
Matthew J Countryman: that's the intent, we have to get we want to get from her Ashley and from Toronto here i'm all them protection of the number of hours so once.
Stephen M Ward: that's already.
Stephen M Ward: In the works okay.
Matthew J Countryman: I mean, I worked at the intention so we're.
Matthew J Countryman: gonna we're not gonna have to volunteer.
Stephen M Ward: And, but and just please do know that.
Stephen M Ward: She Danny has been admitted to the master's program at school today.
Stephen M Ward: And so she'll be gratitude in your notes here she's considering deferring the year, but I think the citizens person made so and so on, but I just wanted to have it possible of her possible of her being around the possible interesting and some traditional DAS next year or the other.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, thanks um.
Stephen M Ward: So My other question is this until Vol three kinds of input for for for me and for beth and I think that the best hopefully.
Stephen M Ward: Still join with me to try to plan the entire semester presentation that you did for my class about their presentation, so the day we have is Wednesday April 21.
Stephen M Ward: and seven, I want to see about making making earlier, maybe a six.
Stephen M Ward: Ambassador last best right on the schedule.
Stephen M Ward: So, so I want to put that on the schedule by someone and make sure.
Stephen M Ward: i'm not missing anything that sounds okay.
Matthew J Countryman: That sounds great.
Stephen M Ward: So when you think about six instead of seven.
Elizabeth James: that's fine.
Stephen M Ward: Okay now what bigger question of what exactly it is i've just been presented to the students is this is the last day of classes after our our last class on Tuesday, this is the next evening.
Stephen M Ward: And I presented it as an opportunity for them to present to the dance Community something about what they've been doing so not to give formal presentations of their projects, but for them to together decide what of their products they want to share.
Stephen M Ward: Including if a couple of them are just really.
Stephen M Ward: really good they're going to let those people talk about their projects and others do something else.
Stephen M Ward: But I wanted to share that with you all see if you have any thoughts about how to frame it because.
Stephen M Ward: That I gave the latitude of what their products can be didn't have to be something grounded in essence 50 good anniversary or after that history, so there are topics, none of them are really.
Stephen M Ward: Directly their system, so one person wants to do something on the on Black student organizations and our vision is over the years by total should have to be prepared to focus that another one on.
Stephen M Ward: Racial climate compared to the hard time because she's returning students, she was here in late 80s.
Stephen M Ward: And Compare that to now doing some interviews another one to do a project on our any requirement try and make the case make an argument that there should be a university wide r&d requirement.
Stephen M Ward: One of the students is a former.
Stephen M Ward: Student body gaps by the President, whatever the call and so and that he's created once create a document that would be available to future student.
Stephen M Ward: Government leaders.
Stephen M Ward: which would give them a sense of the struggles around racial racial justice on campus.
Stephen M Ward: So those are the types of projects.
Stephen M Ward: So I i'm not sure how and another one is Mike wallace the journalist Mike wallace 60 minutes because you have a Muslim.
Stephen M Ward: He gave the commencement in 1987 but there was some controversy, because a few years earlier on a hot MIC he had made some racist comments.
Stephen M Ward: And some people protested it, but he pushed to brush it off, so the student wants to store that in the context of Bam and you car in 87 So those are the products they want to do.
Stephen M Ward: So now or later if I see to check in with you Matthew I don't wanna take up too much time to share that's.
Stephen M Ward: What they're doing and what i'm thinking you know I gave them that to to create something doesn't have to be a formal paper to be somebody apart, but they want them to do something that's audio visual.
Stephen M Ward: So.
that's that.
Matthew J Countryman: So.
Matthew J Countryman: All the projects are you have them have a u of m time.
Stephen M Ward: Yes, they had to be something that grows out of there where we studied and their own relationship to it and one more I want to make it wants to wants to make a proposal for.
Stephen M Ward: A class called before Christianity African religions, without outside input so proposal for our class or African religions, which would be grounded in what are our history historical curriculum yes they're all you have them all dealing with.
Stephen M Ward: race black people's presence on campus and so forth.
Matthew J Countryman: So I mean a couple of I think we should definitely record this.
Matthew J Countryman: Okay right so um.
Matthew J Countryman: And we can archive it and probably need their permission to do that um.
Matthew J Countryman: What, but what I think more.
Matthew J Countryman: On I don't know what more ways, but the other way I would approach it, which is somewhat different, but not mutually exclusive is.
Matthew J Countryman: One things we might want to just begin to experiment with it within our own thinking about these kinds of student projects is.
Matthew J Countryman: identifying those that have real potential.
Matthew J Countryman: Because you know I mean you know you're not students are going to do something amazing and less than a semester right.
Matthew J Countryman: But I might be some that we encourage them to send you an independent study.
Matthew J Countryman: To really to bring it up to a kind of level of.
Matthew J Countryman: depth and and professionalism, whatever that might well be something we put on the website on its own standing.
Matthew J Countryman: So.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, which is to say, you know if you think any of them are are are.
Matthew J Countryman: candidates for such a thing we have to you know i'd be happy to talk about how to do that.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, so I would just say that model.
Stephen M Ward: For this case that model won't fit independence any because these are all this is for 98, so there are graduating senior.
Matthew J Countryman: All graduating okay.
Stephen M Ward: Right, I mean there may be some that i'm not they may still have another Semester and capacity.
Stephen M Ward: But again, some like Danny will still be around so Cindy around looks will be here of things so that this possible, they could still continue to work, so I definitely will and i've.
Stephen M Ward: lightened the mission that and i've been emphasizing the possibility of this living on the desk website, but I haven't got it with it.
Matthew J Countryman: Sure, and if.
Matthew J Countryman: there's somebody who wouldn't who wants to work on it over the summer to get without.
Matthew J Countryman: Getting credit or pay for it, so that's also possible he said.
Stephen M Ward: He said so without getting credit, but pay could be possible.
Matthew J Countryman: Well, I don't want to.
Matthew J Countryman: I think Wayne I would be happy to receive you know receive that proposal and look at what our budget situation.
Stephen M Ward: So what I should tell them is that the independence me would be around but i'm I know that.
Stephen M Ward: Most of us not option, but I want you to know that's how the department is thinking and then let it go from there if they have the interest and I think it's something worthwhile, we can try to figure out.
Matthew J Countryman: Again, I mean to I guess what I would say here's where I go further, I would say if there's anybody who wants to want does want it to be on the website.
Matthew J Countryman: and is willing to do it on you know, on an unpaid.
Matthew J Countryman: wages, we will provide them the support they need to do that.
Matthew J Countryman: Including potentially if there were costs related not pay but like.
Stephen M Ward: gotcha gotcha.
Matthew J Countryman: So I think you can offer that.
Matthew J Countryman: Okay um I would rather do for the for the other is, if you came to if you felt like one of them was close enough to doing something that would be really useful and wanting to say could be considered, you know, a set number of hours.
Stephen M Ward: Of pairs.
Matthew J Countryman: That they could do that but I rather that come from you to us before going to them.
Stephen M Ward: gotcha absolutely absolutely.
Stephen M Ward: One other products i'll mention is once who's doing a project dealing with awesome course.
Stephen M Ward: papers at the bentley.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, so yeah So if I see something I think worthwhile company will.
Matthew J Countryman: So what have we missed today.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, this is about an miss but not admissible another thought a bit of a maybe long term for the structure of the website.
Stephen M Ward: You know, there were events celebrating their 10th or 20th 30th 35th and 40th.
Stephen M Ward: anniversary is of death right did we do a 42 years ago we did something right.
Elizabeth James: yeah we did.
Stephen M Ward: And we have recordings for all of them.
Stephen M Ward: So I just wonder if, in the recordings, are you know uneven in various ways, but I wonder if we might want to have some structure on the website.
Matthew J Countryman: For.
mark.
Stephen M Ward: And mark them off a tab or something about it differently, as a way to do like What do you say you want to emphasize, to the powers that be that this is not just a one time thing that's a long term thing.
Stephen M Ward: To combine that weaknesses membrane and 50 years, but it also has the broader sense of being part of our ongoing.
Matthew J Countryman: know I mean obviously when you know I mean obviously like that that some of that key footage from the 10th that's in the trailer.
Stephen M Ward: Right right right right right.
Matthew J Countryman: No, I think that's great yes, we should definitely.
Matthew J Countryman: Think of that as part of the project that's going to you know I suspect we should let's resolve that data storage.
For you.
Matthew J Countryman: But um yeah.
Stephen M Ward: Like I said I think long term long term thinking about planning and organizing.
Matthew J Countryman: know and one of the things that we.
Matthew J Countryman: You know I mean this is a good way and I need to have some conversations about the budget but it's going to be a point when the money is going to start to be less than we need, and we need to go back and make you know figure out.
Matthew J Countryman: What a potential sources of additional support so that we can have this be an ongoing.
Stephen M Ward: And to promise.
Matthew J Countryman: And so, actually, let me say in close, it is a good time for me to say this, so I will be only of next year.
Matthew J Countryman: However, I don't want this to stop the work, and so I mean, first of all i'm hoping that it is you know people can continue to want to.
Matthew J Countryman: into the spring and summer this year.
Matthew J Countryman: But i'm also plant, you know we'll and we'll have some conversations about this will have a conversation about how to continue this work next year.
Matthew J Countryman: And in.
Matthew J Countryman: Speaking for myself, that would be you know I would I would I would stay involved, whether that's a weekly meeting or not I don't know but we'll figure that out and i'm gonna speak for Stephen now and say i'm going to make him do that too.
Matthew J Countryman: he'll be on.
Matthew J Countryman: And so, between the two of us, hopefully we can sort of keep keep and will you know things going and hopefully involve other people as well, so that's that's the that's where I am thinking about this, is it obviously we all lose momentum.
Matthew J Countryman: Alright well.
Matthew J Countryman: Look, I said this before, but now I really mean is not something we're going on out there, so please be careful.
Matthew J Countryman: Where we seem to be the governor and the president's meeting seem to be.
Matthew J Countryman: Giving discuss our lead the press this is what's going on in Michigan so it's obviously kind of amazing but.
Matthew J Countryman: To take care of yourselves whether or not you've been vaccinated.
Matthew J Countryman: and
Matthew J Countryman: i'll see you next week thanks.
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