WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.960 The 70. 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:03.149 Elizabeth James: So. 3 00:00:04.170 --> 00:00:04.650 Elizabeth James: You know. 4 00:00:06.060 --> 00:00:20.040 Elizabeth James: When they re emerged in the 90s, it was not new, they had really been strong long before the office of international programs began and way before sieges and. 5 00:00:21.870 --> 00:00:26.340 Elizabeth James: The other unit that works on the study abroad on GCC. 6 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:27.600 Elizabeth James: Before they. 7 00:00:27.660 --> 00:00:35.580 Elizabeth James: We can because I remember at Miller and some of the others who had been involved in the foundation of. 8 00:00:36.930 --> 00:00:46.140 Elizabeth James: sieges came today asked asked our advice about certain you know issues dealing with travel abroad. 9 00:00:48.150 --> 00:00:48.510 wow. 10 00:00:52.410 --> 00:01:01.260 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: wow amazing yeah I think reconstructing some of those in more detail would be brilliant so Deborah also gave us the name of. 11 00:01:01.800 --> 00:01:16.470 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Others who were involved in and study abroad during that time that earlier time period and 70s and 80s yeah dunlap war yeah sorry that we ran over with that interview, but it was really good I was just pulling them in on. 12 00:01:16.710 --> 00:01:16.950 Dolapo Raheemat Raji: That. 13 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:18.300 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: A little bit about it. 14 00:01:18.870 --> 00:01:20.730 Dolapo Raheemat Raji: was very interesting really in Atlanta. 15 00:01:20.850 --> 00:01:24.240 Dolapo Raheemat Raji: I could feel a lot of our image like this. 16 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:24.870 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah. 17 00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:33.840 Dolapo Raheemat Raji: it's an it's a happy accident, I should have beautiful stories about experiences in Nigeria, which I would want to get more about why it was interesting. 18 00:01:52.110 --> 00:01:53.610 Wayne High: So, while we are Rom. 19 00:01:54.990 --> 00:02:04.830 Wayne High: Okay, I guess, I need to touch base with nisha she's been looking at the videos enjoying the view but not renaming as we need so. 20 00:02:06.990 --> 00:02:09.840 Wayne High: Note to self touch base with me sure. 21 00:02:11.040 --> 00:02:32.850 Elizabeth James: Well, I know he's been working on that GCC because we've been going back and forth on her tcp project and getting that flyer together because she kept sending me ones that had some errors, so we got that straightened out and sent those out today, but it was like bit by bit, so. 22 00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:44.280 Elizabeth James: You know, maybe now she'll have well they know those symposiums next weekend so maybe once she's done with that should have a little more time. 23 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:56.070 Wayne High: You know I think she had a lot of things happening at wants to include her manuscript while she was working with you, so now that we're able to compare notes. 24 00:02:57.090 --> 00:03:07.590 Wayne High: I see that as the third thing that was going on, and I think she may have had a couple others that were occurring So hopefully I can get her to. 25 00:03:08.070 --> 00:03:16.950 Wayne High: Not only reminisce reminisce and label the study abroad, because I know she's access them and she seen them because she's talked with me about it. 26 00:03:18.150 --> 00:03:18.420 Elizabeth James: Oh. 27 00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:22.260 we'll do what we can. 28 00:03:25.350 --> 00:03:29.070 Wayne High: Matthew now that you are here, I guess, I can. 29 00:03:30.420 --> 00:03:32.190 Wayne High: Lead off with the first update. 30 00:03:35.010 --> 00:03:58.290 Wayne High: And that is last meeting we were talking about memory and data storage, to be exact, I was able to talk with Joel Bauer, this week, had an email exchange with him, Joe is the research and computing consultant who answers to amy Peters and. 31 00:03:59.550 --> 00:04:13.710 Wayne High: What we got from him was an invitation to come to their Tuesday office hours, where we can refine what we are asking for what we've asked for is. 32 00:04:14.610 --> 00:04:32.970 Wayne High: The turbo storage, I think I shared my screen, the other meeting, so that everyone could see the options that were available to us, but couple that with the fact that we had some security access questions that we still need to have answered so he's going to bring his. 33 00:04:34.140 --> 00:04:44.340 Wayne High: TEAM members to this meeting, where myself Arielle and Helen will join their office hours, so we can get smart on those options. 34 00:04:44.730 --> 00:05:01.530 Wayne High: The storage ask has been for somewhere between 25 to 50 terabytes of information and we realize that some of how we some of our storage methods may need to stay the same, and that we have some of our material out on dropbox. 35 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:20.760 Wayne High: And so, while we might leave some of the material on dropbox the research material we're looking at how we can make that accessible to people who want to do research but that's why the ask was so large because we do have quite a few areas that would be. 36 00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:24.270 Wayne High: attractive to people do our research. 37 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:30.300 Wayne High: And Arielle Helen did I miss anything. 38 00:05:32.970 --> 00:05:33.660 Helen Garbarino: I don't think so. 39 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:42.030 Matthew J Countryman: My apologies for being late it's challenging back to back when I read the Executive Committee meeting. 40 00:05:44.220 --> 00:05:48.000 Matthew J Countryman: So thanks Wayne those are that's really helpful um. 41 00:05:49.890 --> 00:05:50.280 Matthew J Countryman: I. 42 00:05:52.590 --> 00:06:04.200 Matthew J Countryman: yeah I mean look forward to hearing what what what they say, I think, obviously, if I always say the concerns would be the partly the research, the ability to access materials, but also issue of. 43 00:06:05.940 --> 00:06:11.100 Matthew J Countryman: Sustainability right right right, so that this stuff just doesn't disappear at some point. 44 00:06:13.380 --> 00:06:16.290 Matthew J Countryman: we're looking at making it clear we imagine this, not as a. 45 00:06:17.370 --> 00:06:18.330 Matthew J Countryman: short term. 46 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:29.130 Matthew J Countryman: anniversary thing, but as a permanent feature of our of our department of our public facing work but also have our our scholarship and pedagogy. 47 00:06:29.850 --> 00:06:30.360 Correct. 48 00:06:35.460 --> 00:06:39.630 Wayne High: Arielle sent me a link earlier today, which I haven't had a chance to. 49 00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:42.570 Wayne High: register for but. 50 00:06:43.650 --> 00:06:44.550 Wayne High: If you have. 51 00:06:46.980 --> 00:06:57.420 Wayne High: A dropbox account, please take the right steps to make sure you register, so that you get ported over when the migration does happen. 52 00:07:00.180 --> 00:07:00.450 Matthew J Countryman: yeah. 53 00:07:01.590 --> 00:07:15.510 Matthew J Countryman: it's actually this is it's always irritating when they say they're gonna do something different, but this one is nice, because I was paying dropbox to store stuff and now the universities paying for that I got a bunch of money back once I converted over so. 54 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:18.390 Matthew J Countryman: People should do that definitely. 55 00:07:19.860 --> 00:07:20.400 Stephen M Ward: So this is. 56 00:07:22.470 --> 00:07:27.540 Arielle Chen: Just to clarify this is for anyone who has files in inbox because that's going to be going away. 57 00:07:28.410 --> 00:07:38.700 Arielle Chen: And if you have five if you have files and dropbox you want to make sure that you get it registered with your you have an account, so you don't have to pay for storage and all of your files from inbox. 58 00:07:39.150 --> 00:07:43.410 Arielle Chen: quarter to dropbox because that's what we're going to be using currently the website is. 59 00:07:44.850 --> 00:07:52.470 Arielle Chen: Has files that are housed in dropbox because we're able to embed them into websites, like the videos the audios from gmail things like that. 60 00:07:54.270 --> 00:08:00.090 Arielle Chen: And I think that there will be more information coming out about the specific details in terms of that migration. 61 00:08:04.830 --> 00:08:06.000 Matthew J Countryman: Stephen will you say to them. 62 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.360 Stephen M Ward: Yes, so. 63 00:08:10.890 --> 00:08:12.870 Stephen M Ward: thanks for that clarification area that. 64 00:08:13.950 --> 00:08:15.480 Stephen M Ward: As a part of what I was asking. 65 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:31.170 Stephen M Ward: I guess i'll just leave it so we're we're we have been told already, but we will be tell it again about what to do in terms of the registration is a situation to be looking at i'm not sure if I need to do this, but. 66 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:34.620 Stephen M Ward: i'll look into it. 67 00:08:35.610 --> 00:08:44.700 Matthew J Countryman: So the thing is it right so what's been the university storage van box, you can be all is dropbox if you have stuff in inbox and you want to there's a. 68 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:52.080 Matthew J Countryman: method, a link to convert that stuff to dropbox the other piece of it is you already have a personal dropbox. 69 00:08:52.740 --> 00:08:58.650 Matthew J Countryman: And you want to link that to your U of m dropbox because then all that material be combined over and if. 70 00:08:59.460 --> 00:09:12.180 Matthew J Countryman: If you've paid dropbox any for any amount of storage for you, you know, whatever it'll be prorated as a as a credit to you from dropbox but that doesn't involve university a straight to what However, your payment method is. 71 00:09:13.380 --> 00:09:13.680 Matthew J Countryman: guys. 72 00:09:18.690 --> 00:09:20.460 Matthew J Countryman: I just paid for a year and then. 73 00:09:20.760 --> 00:09:22.170 Stephen M Ward: They told me I could do oh wow okay. 74 00:09:22.380 --> 00:09:24.210 Matthew J Countryman: I got I got a lot money back. 75 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:26.010 Helen Garbarino: refund you. 76 00:09:26.460 --> 00:09:27.840 Helen Garbarino: yeah okay guys. 77 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:32.550 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Because I have some books yeah okay cool. 78 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:34.980 Matthew J Countryman: um. 79 00:09:39.420 --> 00:09:42.330 Matthew J Countryman: Great Let me give you a quick update on a couple things from my end. 80 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:58.950 Matthew J Countryman: Some fun one is that I did a five minute actually went over presentation for the humanities church directors on the website this week and got lots of positive news yeah stick response to that, so that was great. 81 00:10:01.140 --> 00:10:05.790 Matthew J Countryman: played I played I played the the trailer for them that's that's probably why I went over. 82 00:10:07.890 --> 00:10:12.540 Matthew J Countryman: And I wanted I wanted them to hear RON hair, so I just thought, you know that was too much fun and. 83 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:23.070 Matthew J Countryman: And I got it I got some definitely comments on on it was the best music, so it was it was the right, it was the right age cohort for the music. 84 00:10:32.430 --> 00:10:41.880 Matthew J Countryman: So that was fun and then the second thing is, I actually just scheduled a meeting with comfort about the deals we've been working on, and so we have an opportunity to talk to her and. 85 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:56.640 Matthew J Countryman: And presuming that will follow up will follow that up with some time to go look firsthand at the materials in our store on so which I think I will join them because I haven't actually ever done that either so it'll be good for me to do that as well, so. 86 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:01.680 Matthew J Countryman: I think those are my only updates for today. 87 00:11:02.820 --> 00:11:08.670 Elizabeth James: So Stephen do I mean i'm Matthew will comfort, be able to. 88 00:11:10.590 --> 00:11:14.430 Elizabeth James: i'm thinking about to work with Kirsten. 89 00:11:14.550 --> 00:11:16.950 Matthew J Countryman: yeah so let's oh yeah no, thank you for that um well. 90 00:11:17.040 --> 00:11:19.410 Elizabeth James: It kind of tie in a little, I think. 91 00:11:19.770 --> 00:11:24.420 Matthew J Countryman: So we've got right we've got these three pieces that we have to figure out how they how they fit together. 92 00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:37.530 Matthew J Countryman: So I did get kiersten to go ahead right so and to work with you and thank you beth for she's so excited I can't I mean they're just like over the top excited about working with you. 93 00:11:38.970 --> 00:11:46.230 Matthew J Countryman: So the museum studies program is going to sign an intern this summer to do a retrospective on the desk gallery. 94 00:11:48.570 --> 00:12:00.270 Matthew J Countryman: likely to include on, and this is for the folks working on, to work out but likely to include an exhibit in the gallery, at some point next year as well as something for the for our website. 95 00:12:02.010 --> 00:12:09.330 Matthew J Countryman: And the thought i'm confirming beth so if anything I say doesn't fit your understanding, please stop me but is that this would be. 96 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:23.430 Matthew J Countryman: would look at the at the at the history of the gallery, but in the context of the longer history of visual culture exhibits in the department, going back to the first house right so that's the thinking of on that. 97 00:12:24.810 --> 00:12:25.530 Matthew J Countryman: i'm. 98 00:12:27.570 --> 00:12:36.090 Matthew J Countryman: At the same time i'm meeting with Ray on Monday to talk with him about his ideas for. 99 00:12:38.310 --> 00:12:41.550 Matthew J Countryman: Something on the website that would that would. 100 00:12:43.290 --> 00:12:48.150 Matthew J Countryman: capture revisit the work that his team did in the years they were running together. 101 00:12:50.550 --> 00:13:07.590 Matthew J Countryman: And my take on the two those two things is that they are obviously intersecting but that can be distinct projects because the time raises a very narrow time window, the other ones, a much broader time window i'm raise own Ray has been pretty clear that he doesn't want. 102 00:13:08.670 --> 00:13:13.590 Matthew J Countryman: The gallery piece his gallery piece to be part of his retirement thing and that's fine. 103 00:13:18.780 --> 00:13:24.120 Matthew J Countryman: I mean it's fine, since it has been does not fire, not by doesn't matter it's what it's what he wants so that's, the better. 104 00:13:25.830 --> 00:13:29.700 Matthew J Countryman: And then the third piece is comfort and how that fits in. 105 00:13:31.470 --> 00:13:32.340 Matthew J Countryman: and 106 00:13:34.920 --> 00:13:50.010 Matthew J Countryman: that's what i've talked to comfortable on her and her, she is not her charge doesn't specifically relate to the issue of exhibit exhibition or gallery exhibit right her charges to make sense of our holdings. 107 00:13:51.090 --> 00:14:00.030 Matthew J Countryman: and particularly the ones, relative to colonial Africa and so that's a completely different set of questions. 108 00:14:02.670 --> 00:14:09.840 Matthew J Countryman: That said, you know she she will in developing that will have access to the materials and. 109 00:14:10.560 --> 00:14:26.130 Matthew J Countryman: You know i'm i'm like I want to close the doors to her and how she wants what she thinks is the proper and that's it and so again what we've asked her for is not a is not is a different thing it's a proposal for how to make sense of all that stuff. 110 00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:28.980 Matthew J Countryman: and 111 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:35.700 Matthew J Countryman: That could include and I said to her, I hope, it would include some kind of maybe a blog. 112 00:14:37.800 --> 00:14:39.510 Matthew J Countryman: that she would write that would. 113 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:45.060 Matthew J Countryman: be the US on the website that was sort of capture some of that um. 114 00:14:46.650 --> 00:14:51.270 Matthew J Countryman: But, particularly now that I understand better. 115 00:14:52.590 --> 00:15:02.670 Matthew J Countryman: um those particularly complicated images and material objects and how we came to hold them, which is that they are not. 116 00:15:04.140 --> 00:15:08.700 Matthew J Countryman: There they came after you know, in the 80s right, I believe. 117 00:15:09.660 --> 00:15:12.090 Elizabeth James: In the 90s early 90s. 118 00:15:12.180 --> 00:15:16.860 Matthew J Countryman: And that they didn't the people who gave them to us we're not you event people in any particular way. 119 00:15:19.020 --> 00:15:27.840 Matthew J Countryman: I am not sure I mean I haven't I haven't even had a chance to say that's a complete submission to see how she responds to that, but I think it does mean it's a very different. 120 00:15:32.790 --> 00:15:40.230 Matthew J Countryman: You know it's because we've never used them will just help them right I just think that means that there's a little bit less. 121 00:15:40.740 --> 00:15:50.190 Matthew J Countryman: writing on it in a certain kind of way not that we still don't have responsibility to talk about it clearly but it's just it's just it's a different thing so i'm i'm. 122 00:15:52.710 --> 00:16:00.120 Matthew J Countryman: You know I just I just want her to be to give us a sense of what would be the right thing to do, that's that's all it and then beyond that is not much at stake. 123 00:16:01.530 --> 00:16:11.730 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So I think will be useful when you meet with conflict Matthew also just to lay out those three projects like you did here, because I know when she saw the. 124 00:16:12.690 --> 00:16:24.630 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: advertisement that I think, maybe best you sent out to a compiled about the intern museum internship comfort was a bit confused as to whether this was this would be part of her project or. 125 00:16:24.930 --> 00:16:27.270 Elizabeth James: Different what wouldn't fit on her yeah. 126 00:16:27.300 --> 00:16:29.220 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah so so maybe just. 127 00:16:30.390 --> 00:16:31.890 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Fears along those lines. 128 00:16:32.040 --> 00:16:34.140 Matthew J Countryman: The bulk of the gallery stuff is contemporary. 129 00:16:35.760 --> 00:16:36.300 Matthew J Countryman: Not the. 130 00:16:36.570 --> 00:16:39.870 Matthew J Countryman: Right so that's that's the other distinction that didn't make sense right so that. 131 00:16:42.420 --> 00:16:45.720 Matthew J Countryman: Right, we have because we because we because we, thankfully, have not exhibited. 132 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:49.050 Matthew J Countryman: As far as I know. 133 00:16:50.160 --> 00:16:50.520 Matthew J Countryman: So. 134 00:16:51.150 --> 00:16:59.730 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah yeah and it seems like from what comfort was telling me that the collection is huge and it's going to it's going to take quite a long time to figure out the. 135 00:17:00.270 --> 00:17:15.360 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The 10 that she used that you mentioned that the provenance, I think, was the term that you use sort of the origins, the the way in which it was acquired etc so um yeah so maybe picking a chunk of that was what she is she you know we'll talk more. 136 00:17:15.420 --> 00:17:20.400 Matthew J Countryman: yeah we're good I yeah I mean I think if I mean i'm very open to her picking a chunk of it as a way to. 137 00:17:21.030 --> 00:17:29.940 Elizabeth James: To try to address it, because Matthew, I think, even when you all go down and see what's down there you're going to get a sense that. 138 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:38.790 Elizabeth James: death is really had a background that to me kind of almost feels like the end of raiders of the lost Ark. 139 00:17:39.300 --> 00:17:48.150 Elizabeth James: We acquire a lot of really strange collections through a variety of things isley Missouri gave us his. 140 00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:49.080 Matthew J Countryman: collection. 141 00:17:49.290 --> 00:17:51.510 Elizabeth James: The baker Mandela Center gave us their. 142 00:17:51.510 --> 00:18:15.780 Elizabeth James: Collection when people were closing they scramble they were like oh death will take it for a while we had a piece of bs shoes history, then a sixth grade teacher came and gave us a bunch of crates of music black music it's like all along the way, there have been people who. 143 00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:22.350 Elizabeth James: gave us things and somehow we became this repository of. 144 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.410 Matthew J Countryman: what's called in Harry Potter. 145 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:27.750 Elizabeth James: room that's the. 146 00:18:28.500 --> 00:18:30.660 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: requirement remember requirement. 147 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:31.170 yeah. 148 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:33.030 Elizabeth James: that's what we got. 149 00:18:34.560 --> 00:18:36.690 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: All the objects across the generations. 150 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:41.190 Matthew J Countryman: section of our website called the room of acquiring it's just photos of the. 151 00:18:41.250 --> 00:18:42.090 Of the story. 152 00:18:44.430 --> 00:18:45.780 Elizabeth James: stephen's got some. 153 00:18:45.990 --> 00:18:46.260 Elizabeth James: Look at. 154 00:18:47.070 --> 00:18:49.590 Elizabeth James: Those who are regional posters from the. 155 00:18:49.770 --> 00:18:52.740 Matthew J Countryman: 1984 99 or eight whatever it is. 156 00:18:52.830 --> 00:18:53.490 yeah. 157 00:18:54.690 --> 00:19:02.070 Elizabeth James: it's like you know you name it we got it down there for a while we had some clothes and we finally just decided wait a minute. 158 00:19:03.300 --> 00:19:04.740 Elizabeth James: Here is still fabric. 159 00:19:08.520 --> 00:19:10.110 Matthew J Countryman: I want, I want that stuff. 160 00:19:10.140 --> 00:19:15.120 Matthew J Countryman: For the task for anti racism Task Force report, there were about to go public with. 161 00:19:15.150 --> 00:19:18.420 Arielle Chen: He is supposed to return those eventually to the vast collection. 162 00:19:20.070 --> 00:19:22.680 Matthew J Countryman: Oh, I want to images of the model, as you want the actual i'm not. 163 00:19:24.210 --> 00:19:28.740 Stephen M Ward: i'm i've already put I took photos of them and those followers are in the faster to. 164 00:19:30.060 --> 00:19:40.170 Stephen M Ward: drive and I get and i'm I have them for safekeeping so when one of the TRIPS we've made to the basement some things that put up in my office. 165 00:19:40.650 --> 00:19:50.490 Stephen M Ward: And then, a few months ago, when I went to the office to good books I brought them to show the students in the class and it took pictures So yes, there'll be returned that i'm just keeping them. 166 00:19:51.660 --> 00:19:55.740 Stephen M Ward: keeping them safe worry from the rats and roaches in the spiders and. 167 00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:08.580 Elizabeth James: Goodness gracious for a while and I wouldn't have been surprised if shaky jake wasn't living down there, I mean it's just everything's Johnny. 168 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:10.950 Matthew J Countryman: And nobody in this me know shaky jake is. 169 00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:20.400 Matthew J Countryman: Maybe Stephen. 170 00:20:22.350 --> 00:20:23.910 Matthew J Countryman: Do you even know Jackie Jackie Stephen. 171 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:24.870 Stephen M Ward: I know. 172 00:20:28.770 --> 00:20:29.550 Stephen M Ward: away here. 173 00:20:29.910 --> 00:20:31.950 Elizabeth James: I have just aged out good. 174 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:34.020 Matthew J Countryman: Matthew eight oh. 175 00:20:35.010 --> 00:20:36.240 Elizabeth James: My gosh. 176 00:20:40.110 --> 00:20:41.730 Matthew J Countryman: He was this one bath. 177 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:56.460 Elizabeth James: I know he was an Ann arbor legend who spent a lot of time on the diag of with his guitar he was like a blues singer that didn't. 178 00:20:56.910 --> 00:21:04.080 Elizabeth James: know what stop his claim to fame was he had played somewhere and he came back to Ann arbor. 179 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:19.320 Elizabeth James: And he will you just saw him everywhere and he'd be like moving on moving on and then David Alan grier took his character and created a character that then he did on living color that was based off this character. 180 00:21:19.950 --> 00:21:21.900 Stephen M Ward: Because he went he didn't David Alan grier in. 181 00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:22.050 Stephen M Ward: here. 182 00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:23.460 So right. 183 00:21:24.780 --> 00:21:27.930 Stephen M Ward: So one of those carrots, he did on living color was was. 184 00:21:29.010 --> 00:21:31.200 Elizabeth James: The one who just talk out the top of his head. 185 00:21:31.410 --> 00:21:52.350 Elizabeth James: And he lived from the Ann arbor the main Ann arbor district library and he just was this fascinating little man who always dressed in like a zoot suit and just was like spout these I don't want to call them with witnesses wisdom, but it was. 186 00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:57.810 Elizabeth James: You just never knew where he bought one time, I was in the girls restroom. 187 00:21:57.870 --> 00:21:59.190 Stephen M Ward: And he was in there, while. 188 00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:05.460 Elizabeth James: He it was like what are you doing in here shaky jake you know you just never knew. 189 00:22:06.690 --> 00:22:07.230 Stephen M Ward: wow. 190 00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:08.910 Elizabeth James: And then they hit. 191 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:09.600 Stephen M Ward: him hard. 192 00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:16.920 Elizabeth James: And he would he would be at the palouse he'd be where. 193 00:22:16.950 --> 00:22:17.730 Stephen M Ward: you're working. 194 00:22:18.090 --> 00:22:38.040 Elizabeth James: At jake was there, and he usually have coffee over by West hall right there were on anto is now Ellen he'd be at that little coffee shop on the corner outside having his coffee and people would buy coffee and you know and then became to me i'm. 195 00:22:39.360 --> 00:22:50.640 Elizabeth James: kind of I don't know turn kind of bad because, after a while they started calling him, like our mascot so then people started. 196 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:54.450 Elizabeth James: So i'm bumper stickers That said, I. 197 00:22:54.750 --> 00:22:55.020 love. 198 00:22:57.120 --> 00:22:58.740 Matthew J Countryman: And I don't know why folks love. 199 00:22:59.430 --> 00:23:00.780 Elizabeth James: Yes, he loved in the. 200 00:23:01.050 --> 00:23:01.680 Matthew J Countryman: novel good. 201 00:23:02.340 --> 00:23:08.520 Elizabeth James: It was so complicated, but he he kind of use that for his to his advantage because people would. 202 00:23:08.520 --> 00:23:12.300 Elizabeth James: always give me money the frat kids loved it. 203 00:23:13.530 --> 00:23:19.560 Elizabeth James: And it was just very strange but yeah that's why I just said he might pop up anywhere. 204 00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:20.040 continues. 205 00:23:23.370 --> 00:23:29.520 Elizabeth James: And there was another Dr diane was there to before the ECON building burned down. 206 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:30.240 Matthew J Countryman: It just. 207 00:23:30.270 --> 00:23:31.680 Matthew J Countryman: For now that's before my time. 208 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:43.170 Elizabeth James: That was the ECON building used to be in that grassy knoll that's across from Shapiro we had a huge ECON building and there was a man who had. 209 00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:57.030 Elizabeth James: been a again legend when he was a ECON Professor that like lost it and he would stand out and give lectures to people, and that was Dr diag so. 210 00:23:58.170 --> 00:23:59.250 wow does he have. 211 00:24:00.300 --> 00:24:02.190 Elizabeth James: yeah that would have been my undergrad. 212 00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:06.540 Stephen M Ward: But doesn't die was previously it calm Professor. 213 00:24:07.020 --> 00:24:11.280 Elizabeth James: yeah and the strange thing is, is to black men so. 214 00:24:11.340 --> 00:24:15.840 Stephen M Ward: You know both these guys shaky jake about the combo black that's what you're saying. 215 00:24:16.860 --> 00:24:21.240 Elizabeth James: mm hmm so how they came to be. 216 00:24:22.980 --> 00:24:23.430 Elizabeth James: These. 217 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.880 Elizabeth James: Part of the legend in my. 218 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.080 Matthew J Countryman: Car of an Armor. 219 00:24:30.540 --> 00:24:34.170 Stephen M Ward: bearer great names chicken Jager bomb name. 220 00:24:36.150 --> 00:24:38.130 Stephen M Ward: We can ask people about them and some spin. 221 00:24:39.810 --> 00:24:40.590 Stephen M Ward: For us to. 222 00:24:42.330 --> 00:24:46.080 Matthew J Countryman: say bye Thank you jake is he was everywhere in town wasn't just campus is everywhere right. 223 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:52.200 Matthew J Countryman: And beloved everywhere in ways that were you know cringe of making often. 224 00:24:54.060 --> 00:24:56.310 Matthew J Countryman: But you can't blame him, he was just making it was just making. 225 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:57.420 Stephen M Ward: Making right. 226 00:24:58.320 --> 00:24:58.650 Stephen M Ward: So. 227 00:24:58.950 --> 00:25:02.340 Elizabeth James: It same moving on moving oh That was what. 228 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:04.500 Elizabeth James: It was. 229 00:25:06.540 --> 00:25:10.590 Elizabeth James: Just a little unnerving at times because you never knew where he. 230 00:25:11.280 --> 00:25:13.230 Matthew J Countryman: And you never know what's gonna come up with one of our meetings. 231 00:25:15.450 --> 00:25:19.350 Elizabeth James: But now you've got me thinking Stephen i'm going to ask Tara and. 232 00:25:20.520 --> 00:25:27.210 Elizabeth James: Ashley and I have a meeting set up for our first of our alumni interviews with Devon on. 233 00:25:28.050 --> 00:25:32.370 Elizabeth James: Monday and since she's a townie i'm going to ask her about shaky jake. 234 00:25:33.030 --> 00:25:34.350 Elizabeth James: Here, with him. 235 00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:38.940 Elizabeth James: So what was that, like as a child, and when shaky jake. 236 00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:40.740 Elizabeth James: huh. 237 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:52.080 Stephen M Ward: yeah it'll be good as overall get her perspective of someone being comin comin over again TIM, do you have them in their works for. 238 00:25:54.030 --> 00:26:07.200 Elizabeth James: Exactly that's what i'm thinking that's what we started with her, and then the consecutive week next Monday, the 19th will have ginny and Andre together. 239 00:26:08.310 --> 00:26:09.390 Elizabeth James: So that'll be. 240 00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:19.500 Elizabeth James: And they're both will andres birthdays today they're 38 so they're coming the next generation after Devon so. 241 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:37.050 Elizabeth James: that'll give us the early 2000 perspective from them and janine I have to let you all know, is the as she said, the President of the Stephen Ward fan club, she was when Stephen first arrived, she was like. 242 00:26:38.190 --> 00:26:40.920 Elizabeth James: You made a good choice, she really, really. 243 00:26:41.970 --> 00:26:44.190 Elizabeth James: So appreciated, you know, having. 244 00:26:45.270 --> 00:27:02.520 Elizabeth James: A younger perspective because most of the Professor she had in desk or older professor, so I think him coming with T shirts just seemed like somebody like wow where were their professors who are like this, because they had missed Robin being here. 245 00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:09.840 Elizabeth James: But I think Devon took Robin Kelly so that'll be yeah I think. 246 00:27:11.850 --> 00:27:26.490 Elizabeth James: yeah we'll have some good questions so tyra and Ashley and I are working on question so if you all can think of any questions that you would like to ask of our alumni please feel free to share them with us really, really appreciate them. 247 00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:36.270 Matthew J Countryman: So I really I should just. 248 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:42.060 Matthew J Countryman: Say that Tara and to hear and I are working on or they're working on, for me, a plan for. 249 00:27:45.090 --> 00:27:51.300 Matthew J Countryman: Taking the video to the next stage, which we hope to a plan to. 250 00:27:53.550 --> 00:27:56.160 Matthew J Countryman: figure out how to do early to mid summer. 251 00:27:56.970 --> 00:27:57.300 Matthew J Countryman: yeah. 252 00:27:57.420 --> 00:27:58.050 that's right. 253 00:27:59.280 --> 00:28:01.350 Matthew J Countryman: right with the idea that. 254 00:28:02.370 --> 00:28:12.750 Matthew J Countryman: Again, like all things things it'll be at a position where we're ready we're comfortable with having it on the website, but also aware that we may well use it as a. 255 00:28:14.850 --> 00:28:23.250 Matthew J Countryman: step to a larger story or larger you know, in a more professionally produced one, yes, if if that seems feasible so we're trying to you know have it be. 256 00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:36.540 Matthew J Countryman: done in a way that allows it to it works and work in progress it's not going to be a done thing, but a work in progress that could be used for additional things and we're so that's that's. 257 00:28:40.110 --> 00:28:45.090 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Good as well yeah that's right and to hear and I had a meeting with Danny as well. 258 00:28:45.540 --> 00:28:54.960 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: How Graham and danny's on board to work into the summer and is still really excited about the project she's for the purpose of stephens class she's doing. 259 00:28:56.040 --> 00:29:00.090 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: A chunk of what will form part of that 10 minute documentary so. 260 00:29:01.110 --> 00:29:05.100 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: To hear and I have sort of divided the documentary into three parts, the first is. 261 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:18.420 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The coming into being of cats through student activism, and so on, demands that result in the formation of cats, the second part is that intellectual rigor and debates within cast so. 262 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:30.090 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Bringing in Harold crews yasuda Casa cedric Robinson, and the third part is the kind of casting desk as a space of Community building and creativity and. 263 00:29:31.080 --> 00:29:42.480 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: and slow yeah Danny is working on that third chunk on desk space of sort of creativity using some some wonderful old footage from the bentley collection of cultural activities and. 264 00:29:43.410 --> 00:29:56.760 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So I think that that's what she's building on building for stephen's class, but will also form part of the the documentary itself so yeah it was a really good meeting and I think we're Matthew we're on track for July ugly if not earlier than that. 265 00:29:57.030 --> 00:30:09.270 Elizabeth James: Great that'll be beautiful because i'm thinking also with that museum studies intern the cultural component will be very helpful to whoever's. 266 00:30:09.840 --> 00:30:25.110 Elizabeth James: they choose, because you know, putting it in the context of why will we having art exhibits in the hallways over in West Hall, why we, you know why would re propose gallery space. 267 00:30:25.590 --> 00:30:34.710 Elizabeth James: In Dallas and you know what has since become a bit you know post re you know some of the exhibits I think Stephen of like. 268 00:30:35.820 --> 00:30:40.020 Elizabeth James: to sing America and our other one that we did with. 269 00:30:41.940 --> 00:31:01.020 Elizabeth James: Under tire the one that the bentley will be curated Detroit from back in time, that was a collaboration with the bentley that we did so, there have been a number of things that you know kind of tie the arts, with the collaboration that we. 270 00:31:03.210 --> 00:31:09.000 Stephen M Ward: were also there one was around Jim and john right in the work their work with the. 271 00:31:11.340 --> 00:31:12.780 Stephen M Ward: statue one. 272 00:31:13.710 --> 00:31:25.710 Elizabeth James: Right right, because I think a lot of people lose track of that that we had to two professors from our our department were instrumental and choosing the mlk. 273 00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:26.520 memorial. 274 00:31:29.010 --> 00:31:37.050 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: beth and Stephen if you have materials on this like photos or if it's in the bentley that would be great as well as we move toward. 275 00:31:37.530 --> 00:31:48.510 Elizabeth James: um I know I have some in my office Professor shaffer's gave me, which was such an honor like his whole set of his plans. 276 00:31:49.590 --> 00:31:54.000 Elizabeth James: And there somewhere in this room of requirement. 277 00:31:56.970 --> 00:31:58.110 office somewhere. 278 00:31:59.490 --> 00:32:01.230 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: On the weekend is that X to. 279 00:32:01.410 --> 00:32:03.270 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: charm just get exactly where to. 280 00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:10.770 Elizabeth James: it's somewhere in one of those tubes and then we have all shaquan remember i'm Stephen sure I mean i'm. 281 00:32:12.270 --> 00:32:16.980 Elizabeth James: i'm Wayne Chicago shaquan put together all of our posters from all of our different. 282 00:32:18.060 --> 00:32:23.580 Elizabeth James: Events over the years we've got those catalogs and there. 283 00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:28.980 Elizabeth James: There I believe in more in our space. 284 00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:30.420 Elizabeth James: 15 Warren. 285 00:32:30.840 --> 00:32:33.480 Wayne High: Some of it on the fifth and some other on the fourth floor. 286 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:40.980 Elizabeth James: floor yeah we put those in chronological order so that may really be home for for Danny with the cultural. 287 00:32:41.430 --> 00:32:41.670 Elizabeth James: that's. 288 00:32:41.910 --> 00:32:47.850 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Great and post a sharp sharp ready nicely to to have like boom boom boom a whole lot of posters. 289 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.050 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Through the years. 290 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.320 Wayne High: That would be really nice there's a lot of fosters. 291 00:32:52.650 --> 00:32:54.300 Elizabeth James: anything from 2016. 292 00:32:54.360 --> 00:32:56.640 Helen Garbarino: On just let me know I probably have it. 293 00:33:00.360 --> 00:33:04.320 Matthew J Countryman: No beth I just looked it's the 10th anniversary of the moral of the summer. 294 00:33:05.820 --> 00:33:06.090 Elizabeth James: In. 295 00:33:06.780 --> 00:33:07.380 August. 296 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.560 Matthew J Countryman: And the formal opening was in October, because it gets postponed because of a hurricane. 297 00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:15.570 Matthew J Countryman: So i'm wondering if. 298 00:33:15.630 --> 00:33:16.950 Matthew J Countryman: We want to do something. 299 00:33:18.360 --> 00:33:22.800 Matthew J Countryman: An event in the fall, maybe for students on 10 years. 300 00:33:24.300 --> 00:33:46.020 Elizabeth James: That be amazing and pull in Professor shaffer's and ED Jackson i'm still in touch with him, he was the chief architect, and he gave a talk for us before with on Professor chambers and lockhart they had a whole symposium and it was centered around Professor lock arts home. 301 00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:58.050 Elizabeth James: Maybe it was his 80th birthday, but they they had a two day symposium that we held over in the league. 302 00:33:59.130 --> 00:33:59.670 Elizabeth James: So. 303 00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:05.160 Matthew J Countryman: No, I remember going to something must have been that summer before it open at the Detroit Center to. 304 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:06.000 The gym chambers. 305 00:34:09.330 --> 00:34:11.340 Matthew J Countryman: Because I knew some of the students organized tab so. 306 00:34:11.910 --> 00:34:23.580 Elizabeth James: Well, they all absolutely that was great they really, really enjoyed that so yeah I have to dig that stuff up but for boy, just when I thought I was going to have. 307 00:34:26.100 --> 00:34:29.370 Matthew J Countryman: it's never be nice to get him on tape talking about it. 308 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:29.790 Oh. 309 00:34:32.550 --> 00:34:36.240 Matthew J Countryman: However, whether it's an event or just at all, we need to do an issue with him so. 310 00:34:37.080 --> 00:34:47.190 Elizabeth James: mm hmm and to get edge Jackson as his students perspective of the role that he played for architecture students because. 311 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:54.390 Elizabeth James: we're beside just recently, and they were talking about architecture. 312 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.630 Elizabeth James: Oh, in your class Stephen. 313 00:34:57.750 --> 00:34:58.830 The one young man. 314 00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:10.740 Elizabeth James: said, you know our history is so strong within DAS for the school of architecture with Professor chambers presence and his study abroad to Ghana. 315 00:35:11.850 --> 00:35:12.120 Stephen M Ward: Right. 316 00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:13.380 Elizabeth James: Now, South Africa. 317 00:35:14.580 --> 00:35:16.440 Elizabeth James: Because I think she named went with. 318 00:35:18.210 --> 00:35:22.620 Elizabeth James: out but we'll find out when we interview, but I believe janine went to South Africa. 319 00:35:24.120 --> 00:35:24.690 Elizabeth James: With. 320 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.310 Elizabeth James: i'm not sure who she was when she might have been legit zero Henry. 321 00:35:33.690 --> 00:35:34.590 Stephen M Ward: or. 322 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.470 Elizabeth James: To think about that, but I know she went to Ghana with Professor shaffer's. 323 00:35:41.250 --> 00:35:43.860 Stephen M Ward: Okay that's because I remember going to ground and that's what I remember. 324 00:35:44.100 --> 00:35:55.470 Elizabeth James: right because remember but South Africa, she did the beautiful exhibit of all the gates and showing people gated in are gated out. 325 00:35:56.220 --> 00:36:12.540 Elizabeth James: Due to you know the post apartheid era, how they were still all these gates present across South Africa, I know she must still have their material so that would be something to Tara that we have to remember to ask her about because Andre. 326 00:36:13.140 --> 00:36:14.040 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: He could good point. 327 00:36:14.670 --> 00:36:25.830 Elizabeth James: The commentary history of South Africa, he was finding food all across the country but geneva's find in the arts so. 328 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:28.500 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: i'll make a note on I interview page. 329 00:36:29.550 --> 00:36:30.900 Elizabeth James: Great oh great. 330 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.750 Stephen M Ward: way as a couple of quick questions. 331 00:36:35.640 --> 00:36:39.390 Stephen M Ward: For Danny danny's involvement beyond July. 332 00:36:41.370 --> 00:36:47.070 Stephen M Ward: You do we already have, if not, can we make arrangement arrangement to to pay her for that. 333 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:56.370 Matthew J Countryman: that's the intent, we have to get we want to get from her Ashley and from Toronto here i'm all them protection of the number of hours so once. 334 00:36:56.670 --> 00:36:57.360 Stephen M Ward: that's already. 335 00:36:57.870 --> 00:36:59.100 Stephen M Ward: In the works okay. 336 00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:01.530 Matthew J Countryman: I mean, I worked at the intention so we're. 337 00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:03.840 Matthew J Countryman: gonna we're not gonna have to volunteer. 338 00:37:07.050 --> 00:37:09.150 Stephen M Ward: And, but and just please do know that. 339 00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:14.340 Stephen M Ward: She Danny has been admitted to the master's program at school today. 340 00:37:16.830 --> 00:37:34.500 Stephen M Ward: And so she'll be gratitude in your notes here she's considering deferring the year, but I think the citizens person made so and so on, but I just wanted to have it possible of her possible of her being around the possible interesting and some traditional DAS next year or the other. 341 00:37:34.890 --> 00:37:36.690 Stephen M Ward: Okay, thanks um. 342 00:37:38.130 --> 00:37:46.710 Stephen M Ward: So My other question is this until Vol three kinds of input for for for me and for beth and I think that the best hopefully. 343 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:59.640 Stephen M Ward: Still join with me to try to plan the entire semester presentation that you did for my class about their presentation, so the day we have is Wednesday April 21. 344 00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:05.250 Stephen M Ward: and seven, I want to see about making making earlier, maybe a six. 345 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.830 Stephen M Ward: Ambassador last best right on the schedule. 346 00:38:12.120 --> 00:38:15.390 Stephen M Ward: So, so I want to put that on the schedule by someone and make sure. 347 00:38:16.890 --> 00:38:19.290 Stephen M Ward: i'm not missing anything that sounds okay. 348 00:38:20.640 --> 00:38:21.300 Matthew J Countryman: That sounds great. 349 00:38:23.100 --> 00:38:25.740 Stephen M Ward: So when you think about six instead of seven. 350 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:27.690 Elizabeth James: that's fine. 351 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:39.270 Stephen M Ward: Okay now what bigger question of what exactly it is i've just been presented to the students is this is the last day of classes after our our last class on Tuesday, this is the next evening. 352 00:38:39.720 --> 00:38:51.960 Stephen M Ward: And I presented it as an opportunity for them to present to the dance Community something about what they've been doing so not to give formal presentations of their projects, but for them to together decide what of their products they want to share. 353 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:53.910 Stephen M Ward: Including if a couple of them are just really. 354 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:58.980 Stephen M Ward: really good they're going to let those people talk about their projects and others do something else. 355 00:39:01.560 --> 00:39:05.790 Stephen M Ward: But I wanted to share that with you all see if you have any thoughts about how to frame it because. 356 00:39:06.390 --> 00:39:15.210 Stephen M Ward: That I gave the latitude of what their products can be didn't have to be something grounded in essence 50 good anniversary or after that history, so there are topics, none of them are really. 357 00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:31.170 Stephen M Ward: Directly their system, so one person wants to do something on the on Black student organizations and our vision is over the years by total should have to be prepared to focus that another one on. 358 00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:36.870 Stephen M Ward: Racial climate compared to the hard time because she's returning students, she was here in late 80s. 359 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:48.240 Stephen M Ward: And Compare that to now doing some interviews another one to do a project on our any requirement try and make the case make an argument that there should be a university wide r&d requirement. 360 00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:54.000 Stephen M Ward: One of the students is a former. 361 00:39:55.080 --> 00:40:05.220 Stephen M Ward: Student body gaps by the President, whatever the call and so and that he's created once create a document that would be available to future student. 362 00:40:06.540 --> 00:40:07.350 Stephen M Ward: Government leaders. 363 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.780 Stephen M Ward: which would give them a sense of the struggles around racial racial justice on campus. 364 00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:17.280 Stephen M Ward: So those are the types of projects. 365 00:40:19.350 --> 00:40:26.130 Stephen M Ward: So I i'm not sure how and another one is Mike wallace the journalist Mike wallace 60 minutes because you have a Muslim. 366 00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:34.320 Stephen M Ward: He gave the commencement in 1987 but there was some controversy, because a few years earlier on a hot MIC he had made some racist comments. 367 00:40:34.680 --> 00:40:44.190 Stephen M Ward: And some people protested it, but he pushed to brush it off, so the student wants to store that in the context of Bam and you car in 87 So those are the products they want to do. 368 00:40:47.220 --> 00:40:53.220 Stephen M Ward: So now or later if I see to check in with you Matthew I don't wanna take up too much time to share that's. 369 00:40:53.850 --> 00:41:02.100 Stephen M Ward: What they're doing and what i'm thinking you know I gave them that to to create something doesn't have to be a formal paper to be somebody apart, but they want them to do something that's audio visual. 370 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:04.710 Stephen M Ward: So. 371 00:41:06.150 --> 00:41:06.510 that's that. 372 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:09.240 Matthew J Countryman: So. 373 00:41:10.290 --> 00:41:12.660 Matthew J Countryman: All the projects are you have them have a u of m time. 374 00:41:13.620 --> 00:41:21.030 Stephen M Ward: Yes, they had to be something that grows out of there where we studied and their own relationship to it and one more I want to make it wants to wants to make a proposal for. 375 00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:37.650 Stephen M Ward: A class called before Christianity African religions, without outside input so proposal for our class or African religions, which would be grounded in what are our history historical curriculum yes they're all you have them all dealing with. 376 00:41:39.450 --> 00:41:41.700 Stephen M Ward: race black people's presence on campus and so forth. 377 00:41:42.810 --> 00:41:46.470 Matthew J Countryman: So I mean a couple of I think we should definitely record this. 378 00:41:47.490 --> 00:41:49.110 Matthew J Countryman: Okay right so um. 379 00:41:50.310 --> 00:41:54.720 Matthew J Countryman: And we can archive it and probably need their permission to do that um. 380 00:41:57.870 --> 00:42:00.360 Matthew J Countryman: What, but what I think more. 381 00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:07.590 Matthew J Countryman: On I don't know what more ways, but the other way I would approach it, which is somewhat different, but not mutually exclusive is. 382 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:14.940 Matthew J Countryman: One things we might want to just begin to experiment with it within our own thinking about these kinds of student projects is. 383 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.230 Matthew J Countryman: identifying those that have real potential. 384 00:42:20.670 --> 00:42:27.360 Matthew J Countryman: Because you know I mean you know you're not students are going to do something amazing and less than a semester right. 385 00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:31.710 Matthew J Countryman: But I might be some that we encourage them to send you an independent study. 386 00:42:33.180 --> 00:42:36.570 Matthew J Countryman: To really to bring it up to a kind of level of. 387 00:42:37.620 --> 00:42:44.160 Matthew J Countryman: depth and and professionalism, whatever that might well be something we put on the website on its own standing. 388 00:42:47.220 --> 00:42:47.820 Matthew J Countryman: So. 389 00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:53.550 Matthew J Countryman: You know, which is to say, you know if you think any of them are are are. 390 00:42:54.810 --> 00:42:58.230 Matthew J Countryman: candidates for such a thing we have to you know i'd be happy to talk about how to do that. 391 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:01.980 Stephen M Ward: Okay, so I would just say that model. 392 00:43:02.520 --> 00:43:07.980 Stephen M Ward: For this case that model won't fit independence any because these are all this is for 98, so there are graduating senior. 393 00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:08.940 Matthew J Countryman: All graduating okay. 394 00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:14.190 Stephen M Ward: Right, I mean there may be some that i'm not they may still have another Semester and capacity. 395 00:43:15.630 --> 00:43:24.330 Stephen M Ward: But again, some like Danny will still be around so Cindy around looks will be here of things so that this possible, they could still continue to work, so I definitely will and i've. 396 00:43:24.660 --> 00:43:31.860 Stephen M Ward: lightened the mission that and i've been emphasizing the possibility of this living on the desk website, but I haven't got it with it. 397 00:43:32.040 --> 00:43:32.580 Matthew J Countryman: Sure, and if. 398 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:38.130 Matthew J Countryman: there's somebody who wouldn't who wants to work on it over the summer to get without. 399 00:43:39.240 --> 00:43:43.560 Matthew J Countryman: Getting credit or pay for it, so that's also possible he said. 400 00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:46.530 Stephen M Ward: He said so without getting credit, but pay could be possible. 401 00:43:47.490 --> 00:43:48.540 Matthew J Countryman: Well, I don't want to. 402 00:43:50.550 --> 00:43:56.610 Matthew J Countryman: I think Wayne I would be happy to receive you know receive that proposal and look at what our budget situation. 403 00:43:58.230 --> 00:44:03.630 Stephen M Ward: So what I should tell them is that the independence me would be around but i'm I know that. 404 00:44:04.050 --> 00:44:13.380 Stephen M Ward: Most of us not option, but I want you to know that's how the department is thinking and then let it go from there if they have the interest and I think it's something worthwhile, we can try to figure out. 405 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:19.740 Matthew J Countryman: Again, I mean to I guess what I would say here's where I go further, I would say if there's anybody who wants to want does want it to be on the website. 406 00:44:22.140 --> 00:44:24.570 Matthew J Countryman: and is willing to do it on you know, on an unpaid. 407 00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:28.500 Matthew J Countryman: wages, we will provide them the support they need to do that. 408 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.810 Matthew J Countryman: Including potentially if there were costs related not pay but like. 409 00:44:33.870 --> 00:44:34.710 Stephen M Ward: gotcha gotcha. 410 00:44:35.970 --> 00:44:37.290 Matthew J Countryman: So I think you can offer that. 411 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:53.310 Matthew J Countryman: Okay um I would rather do for the for the other is, if you came to if you felt like one of them was close enough to doing something that would be really useful and wanting to say could be considered, you know, a set number of hours. 412 00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:54.690 Stephen M Ward: Of pairs. 413 00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:59.430 Matthew J Countryman: That they could do that but I rather that come from you to us before going to them. 414 00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:01.680 Stephen M Ward: gotcha absolutely absolutely. 415 00:45:05.250 --> 00:45:10.740 Stephen M Ward: One other products i'll mention is once who's doing a project dealing with awesome course. 416 00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:12.960 Stephen M Ward: papers at the bentley. 417 00:45:14.490 --> 00:45:18.570 Stephen M Ward: Okay, so yeah So if I see something I think worthwhile company will. 418 00:45:26.520 --> 00:45:28.290 Matthew J Countryman: So what have we missed today. 419 00:45:35.430 --> 00:45:41.280 Stephen M Ward: Okay, this is about an miss but not admissible another thought a bit of a maybe long term for the structure of the website. 420 00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:49.620 Stephen M Ward: You know, there were events celebrating their 10th or 20th 30th 35th and 40th. 421 00:45:50.700 --> 00:45:54.210 Stephen M Ward: anniversary is of death right did we do a 42 years ago we did something right. 422 00:45:54.270 --> 00:45:55.380 Elizabeth James: yeah we did. 423 00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:57.630 Stephen M Ward: And we have recordings for all of them. 424 00:45:59.010 --> 00:46:07.950 Stephen M Ward: So I just wonder if, in the recordings, are you know uneven in various ways, but I wonder if we might want to have some structure on the website. 425 00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:10.080 Matthew J Countryman: For. 426 00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:10.890 mark. 427 00:46:12.270 --> 00:46:22.140 Stephen M Ward: And mark them off a tab or something about it differently, as a way to do like What do you say you want to emphasize, to the powers that be that this is not just a one time thing that's a long term thing. 428 00:46:22.590 --> 00:46:28.860 Stephen M Ward: To combine that weaknesses membrane and 50 years, but it also has the broader sense of being part of our ongoing. 429 00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:36.030 Matthew J Countryman: know I mean obviously when you know I mean obviously like that that some of that key footage from the 10th that's in the trailer. 430 00:46:36.120 --> 00:46:37.350 Stephen M Ward: Right right right right right. 431 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.840 Matthew J Countryman: No, I think that's great yes, we should definitely. 432 00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:48.600 Matthew J Countryman: Think of that as part of the project that's going to you know I suspect we should let's resolve that data storage. 433 00:46:49.170 --> 00:46:49.680 For you. 434 00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:51.930 Matthew J Countryman: But um yeah. 435 00:46:53.640 --> 00:46:57.900 Stephen M Ward: Like I said I think long term long term thinking about planning and organizing. 436 00:46:59.130 --> 00:47:00.330 Matthew J Countryman: know and one of the things that we. 437 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:10.500 Matthew J Countryman: You know I mean this is a good way and I need to have some conversations about the budget but it's going to be a point when the money is going to start to be less than we need, and we need to go back and make you know figure out. 438 00:47:11.670 --> 00:47:15.240 Matthew J Countryman: What a potential sources of additional support so that we can have this be an ongoing. 439 00:47:15.930 --> 00:47:16.620 Stephen M Ward: And to promise. 440 00:47:17.580 --> 00:47:23.910 Matthew J Countryman: And so, actually, let me say in close, it is a good time for me to say this, so I will be only of next year. 441 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:36.750 Matthew J Countryman: However, I don't want this to stop the work, and so I mean, first of all i'm hoping that it is you know people can continue to want to. 442 00:47:38.430 --> 00:47:40.170 Matthew J Countryman: into the spring and summer this year. 443 00:47:41.430 --> 00:47:49.020 Matthew J Countryman: But i'm also plant, you know we'll and we'll have some conversations about this will have a conversation about how to continue this work next year. 444 00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.250 Matthew J Countryman: And in. 445 00:47:57.390 --> 00:48:08.580 Matthew J Countryman: Speaking for myself, that would be you know I would I would I would stay involved, whether that's a weekly meeting or not I don't know but we'll figure that out and i'm gonna speak for Stephen now and say i'm going to make him do that too. 446 00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:10.530 Matthew J Countryman: he'll be on. 447 00:48:13.170 --> 00:48:25.800 Matthew J Countryman: And so, between the two of us, hopefully we can sort of keep keep and will you know things going and hopefully involve other people as well, so that's that's the that's where I am thinking about this, is it obviously we all lose momentum. 448 00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:33.090 Matthew J Countryman: Alright well. 449 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:39.330 Matthew J Countryman: Look, I said this before, but now I really mean is not something we're going on out there, so please be careful. 450 00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:43.920 Matthew J Countryman: Where we seem to be the governor and the president's meeting seem to be. 451 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:50.730 Matthew J Countryman: Giving discuss our lead the press this is what's going on in Michigan so it's obviously kind of amazing but. 452 00:48:51.990 --> 00:48:54.570 Matthew J Countryman: To take care of yourselves whether or not you've been vaccinated. 453 00:48:55.680 --> 00:48:56.070 Matthew J Countryman: and 454 00:48:57.120 --> 00:48:58.950 Matthew J Countryman: i'll see you next week thanks. 455 00:49:00.450 --> 00:49:00.810 Right.