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Matthew J Countryman: Well, so well, I guess, we get started as people are arriving, so this is really our last meeting I think for the Semester, we certainly won't have one next Friday.

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Matthew J Countryman: And what i'll do.

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Matthew J Countryman: Is send out a schedule i'm assuming this time works still for spring term, and that will do is every other week.

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Matthew J Countryman: So.

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Matthew J Countryman: So I guess that means we start on the Seventh, which makes sense, so we that we will also avoid Memorial Day weekend so.

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Matthew J Countryman: i'll get face to send out a.

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Matthew J Countryman: In the invite for every two weeks starting may seventh for the meeting.

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Matthew J Countryman: And just.

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Matthew J Countryman: Let me just start with the Thank you.

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Matthew J Countryman: i'm not sure what we all thought when we started doing these zoom meetings 13 months ago.

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Matthew J Countryman: But it's been a great way.

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Matthew J Countryman: To get this project moving and we obviously huge achievements over the past year, and so I just oh you all a deep credit debt of debt of gratitude not aggressive attitude, but a debt of gratitude.

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Matthew J Countryman: For your hard work, for your patience with me, for your diligence.

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Matthew J Countryman: And i'm really i'm really.

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Matthew J Countryman: Just.

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Matthew J Countryman: so proud of what we've all we've what we've accomplished together and and it's you know your your hard work has been key to that, so I just wanted to say, thanks as we get started.

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Matthew J Countryman: And I did want to also let you know, speaking of the Bennett collection about my new new exciting little.

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Matthew J Countryman: I don't know what to call it thing this document, I have this is a book that I found on Amazon for $3 I didn't find it actually comfort in Tulsa found it for me and I discovered, it was one copy left, so I immediately bought it for $3 Amazon good for something.

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Matthew J Countryman: This is.

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Matthew J Countryman: A.

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Matthew J Countryman: piece of creative nonfiction written by.

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Matthew J Countryman: A nurse, who was a medical missionary to Mozambique in the late 1960s.

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Matthew J Countryman: Who when she then wrote a dissertation about.

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Matthew J Countryman: Medical missionaries was gifted by a cousin a diary you're gonna blow your way best a diary written by the same people who collected all this stuff in our archives, the benefits.

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Matthew J Countryman: And somehow comfort made the connection online and so now I have.

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Matthew J Countryman: Have the book and what we learned, we had to buy the book to find out that the diaries are still in her possession.

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Matthew J Countryman: And so i'm going to look through the book Simon and share it with comfort, but i'm.

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Matthew J Countryman: might actually get some more information.

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Elizabeth James: Some amazing what is it shall.

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Helen Garbarino: We found the documentation for it.

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Matthew J Countryman: yeah so we'll see I mean I it's hard to negotiate this how much this is is she clearly says this is, these are this book is based on the diaries so it's like a fiction.

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Matthew J Countryman: fictional memoir like narrative based on diaries how much she's fictional we won't know.

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Matthew J Countryman: Unless you'd want to share with us, but I think we should read it first and then figure out how to make contact with it, but.

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Elizabeth James: wow.

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Elizabeth James: I just whoa this week okay that just did.

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Wayne High: awesome.

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Elizabeth James: I know the chances of that.

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Matthew J Countryman: I mean I you know it's still reasonable questions about what we want to do if we want to do anything with it, but at least we we can make a decision based on information I guess work so.

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Elizabeth James: wow and I wonder why the couple wouldn't have wanted to give it back to this lady.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well it's not clear, I mean yeah that's interesting question, I mean it may be that the diaries was in the possession of somebody else, not to people.

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Matthew J Countryman: it's also not clear, well.

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Matthew J Countryman: my hunch is, although I couldn't I could be wrong that that.

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Matthew J Countryman: She got a hold of the diaries long after we receive the rest of the class departure collection week on.

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Matthew J Countryman: Okay, the book was published in 2007.

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Matthew J Countryman: doesn't say when she did her so she got a doctorate from Georgia state, but it doesn't say one, so I mean it obviously pieces of the story to figure out still but.

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Elizabeth James: My goodness.

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Elizabeth James: Okay.

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Wayne High: we're to it because we could potentially learn a lot from that.

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Matthew J Countryman: yeah we could learn, I mean, and I think comfort in particular he's really interested in these issues about.

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Matthew J Countryman: The role of missionaries and.

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Matthew J Countryman: He collections and display and all those issues, I think you know, this could be really useful for her whether it's something that we will ever want to highlight I don't know, but at least we can answer the questions.

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Elizabeth James: So.

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Matthew J Countryman: there's many.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Other diaries.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: My internet's been glittering so I missed your summary explanation Matthew so other diaries on which this was based on a in the desk connection, all we.

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Matthew J Countryman: know where they know they're in the possession of the author of this book.

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Matthew J Countryman: seems to be a family member a cousin somehow related also to the benefits of the she's from her description he employs she didn't know anything about them until she got.

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Matthew J Countryman: Her again i've only read the intro her primary message seems to be that the missionary societies don't treat the missionaries as humanely as they should.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, interesting.

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Matthew J Countryman: approach to the.

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Stephen M Ward: New take on what's wrong with the missionary society.

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Elizabeth James: Oh, I just I can't even believe this.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, see I don't often get to shock you.

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Matthew J Countryman: Best so that's this is this is.

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Elizabeth James: it's just left.

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Matthew J Countryman: beth without words you saw it here first folks.

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Matthew J Countryman: Anyway, so as I read it, and as I get comfortable get it will have more to report but.

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Matthew J Countryman: So Stephen do you want to say anything about your event last night, which was really extraordinary.

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Stephen M Ward: um yeah I have some I let in the House, I might have to move in a second oh.

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Stephen M Ward: So i'll say that.

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Stephen M Ward: yeah I was really happy with the students and happy for them and proud of them got a good turnout, which was, which was really encouraging as I.

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Stephen M Ward: Well, and the.

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Stephen M Ward: I uploaded it to the 50th drive the recording zoom recording as well as the slides, and it was to set of slides there one is the bios lies he stood in the class did own bias like one's not there, so there's 1011 another set of slides is what they presented last night was just saying.

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Stephen M Ward: is, I think I think that's.

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Stephen M Ward: All to share, about that.

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Elizabeth James: It was amazing they did incredible projects and.

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Elizabeth James: You could just tell how.

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Elizabeth James: It was, it was a time when you could see I mean it was i'd call it, it is there's an action.

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Elizabeth James: You know, you could see how they.

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Elizabeth James: have become motivated and really moved by research and.

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Elizabeth James: I wrote Brian because you know the bitly and those who work so hard you know Librarians and archivists often don't get much acclaim so the thought of you know.

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Elizabeth James: them having helped with that it was just that it was so incredible the kids were great they really were.

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Matthew J Countryman: So one thing that occurred to me it made me think is maybe we ought to have to extend your response, a.

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Matthew J Countryman: Category called undergraduate presentations.

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Matthew J Countryman: That we could click that recording and other kinds of things that use other undergraduates who use our.

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Matthew J Countryman: Either the website or the you know the bentley holdings to develop things and we, I mean the reason I occur to me is.

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Matthew J Countryman: As a separate category was I would want people you know, I think, preserving that and making public available would be great but it's obviously those are very different kinds of presentations then in the exhibit or something where so I wouldn't want to categorize them with that.

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Matthew J Countryman: But I thought, particularly the testimonials about what it meant for them to be able to go into the archives and access to historical material.

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Matthew J Countryman: we're we're really you know I just think that that that that's a really great thing for people to be able to see and.

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Matthew J Countryman: So I you know I I don't think you know we take to make it seems up something more than that would involve work the ways we could just put the video up there, and it would be what it is and people will understand what it is.

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Stephen M Ward: And I think at that point about the archive one one of the things that the students really didn't really make clear last night, was in the main, they were in the cast collection.

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Stephen M Ward: Some of them did stuff from other collections.

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Stephen M Ward: case with Mike Mike wallace and others.

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Stephen M Ward: But it all started from the from the Catholics, so I mean that that could be a way to do what you're talking about the framing Matthews that.

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Stephen M Ward: Our our our departments are kind of a collection.

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Stephen M Ward: So these are presentations with Grad students engaged with.

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Matthew J Countryman: presentations based on the collection right.

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Matthew J Countryman: And that would be that would be right, the framing I think that's.

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Stephen M Ward: Right to their engagement with some again, some of them are actually not based on.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, but it's clear that they learned about these events.

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Matthew J Countryman: Right right right So even if it's.

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Matthew J Countryman: And pedagogically it makes it where we want to restrict them.

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Matthew J Countryman: Right to that all right right.

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Stephen M Ward: that's how it.

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Matthew J Countryman: But if it's the launching point I mean, I think that makes it really.

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Matthew J Countryman: really works.

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Stephen M Ward: And, and the in the 15th was a big part of the last point of the class.

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Stephen M Ward: Of course, already existed before that, but I framed it this generation has shifted so.

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Matthew J Countryman: I said was it large testimonies and looking at the syllabus.

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Matthew J Countryman: From the 70s and how that influenced her her course proposal was.

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Matthew J Countryman: very special moment that.

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Matthew J Countryman: That actually came up in the retreat this morning, too, so.

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Matthew J Countryman: Great testimony.

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Stephen M Ward: And i'll just reiterate best point she has been about Brian which is Brian Williams, one of the again the archivist who was there last night.

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Stephen M Ward: But I worked for I worked with three of them send them Brian and Sarah and they were great.

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Matthew J Countryman: they're offering the more they're at.

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Matthew J Countryman: least for party last night.

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Stephen M Ward: I saw the names, but I didn't receive it in there, but yeah but but but they they met with the students.

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Stephen M Ward: came to class number times, but what we're seeing is outside of class so that I really want to make sure we have to acknowledge them and that, and this was just all digital so I mean you say you've been getting into the archives before and presumably after the pandemic.

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Matthew J Countryman: They had and what really gets me oh.

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Stephen M Ward: yeah well because we've seen some great.

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Elizabeth James: And that's the beauty I think of the cycle that because of the.

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Elizabeth James: Students demands and bb.

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Elizabeth James: The archives words digitized so they would be accessible or other than that they would not have been.

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Stephen M Ward: The I tried to hammer that home and begin oh.

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Matthew J Countryman: You got it.

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Matthew J Countryman: I thought they got it.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah I really enjoyed it too, I thought the students, where.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: You could see their care for each other as well, and the oneness that they had for each other.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: That was just really awesome to say that, to see that combined with like the the brilliant you know historical work that they're doing, and also the political radicalism, the combination of those three things together, that was awesome i'm sure, a lot of it is down to a CRATE Stephen.

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Stephen M Ward: i'm well, thank you, I was sorry I jumped in i'm also excited to say that because of the a special moment the ones that we share it after afterwards we stayed on so I gotta go get this the best you want to share, I mean we don't it doesn't least the spirit of Assad will remember.

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Elizabeth James: Oh, my goodness Chandra had such a beautiful moment she's a returning students she and Keith both are returning students to campus and she spoke about how.

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Elizabeth James: Having been here 20 years ago beginning her career and then what it meant to her to have some place that she felt comfortable returning to it was just it was I mean.

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Elizabeth James: Everybody was in tears she just really spoke from the heart and said that you know DAS got her through it and you know.

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Elizabeth James: It is extraordinary for students to leave and come back after 20 years to finish their degrees now with two children she's living in Chicago she's one of the.

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Elizabeth James: boxes you'll be mailing out way she's own just amazing you know, to have that for to to depress through you know so many other folks you know walk away, and you know.

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Elizabeth James: never finished that degree and she really was i'm so glad she had the opportunity to take Stevens classes, a capstone because it helped to you know just put that.

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Elizabeth James: Cherry on the top for about coming full circle and how because of that, you know she decided to become a dance major and that's why she wanted to finish up and dance, it was beautiful and I know.

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Elizabeth James: We didn't record it and there's a part of me that wishes we had, but on the other hand there was something so intimate about it that i'm kind of glad we did.

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Elizabeth James: So it's one of those things where you know just a window in and Keith to for him to say you know me too, you know I came back, he was in the 2000s, but she was back from the 90 so you know here, these two folks have been out of the game for a while and to come back in wow it was great.

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Matthew J Countryman: It was also great to be able to because keys, I met with Keith right to begin the Semester and to be able to have that class and have it, because it filled exactly what he needed and I knew that it would.

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Matthew J Countryman: just be a space where where that that sense of connection could be rebuilt for him, so it was it was exciting to see that it worked.

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Elizabeth James: yeah and that was a crazy that was another little sidebar moment afterwards, with Steve they got to hear how keys whole project was you know connected to a professor, who was here at you will them.

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Elizabeth James: My graduate advisor in the master's program in journalism, then how racist this man had been and my experiences with him that I told him if I had known I would have told him and could have predicted that this was exactly what this man would have done.

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Stephen M Ward: hey y'all so I figured I had to leave I missed people's Convention, but I think it doesn't matter, so you know, at the end we stayed on the students and beth and I, and the first thing that when everyone else was gone with Sam was bested keys, let me tell you.

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Stephen M Ward: She learned she has it been honed it wasn't a while the Professor.

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Elizabeth James: isn't dress.

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Stephen M Ward: Is their keys, let me tell you, first of all I had was.

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Elizabeth James: I just can't describe to you, I mean you know when you hear about micro aggressions and what professors, how they can impact students.

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Elizabeth James: Because of that man, I never went into journalism, because he had sent me to Kentucky as my internship and it was so terrifying and horrible there.

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Elizabeth James: That you know they were sending me on like dark roads like riding past Klan rallies just things that I had never experienced as a.

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Elizabeth James: Child from the Midwest and so you know going through that as a graduate student and.

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Elizabeth James: The level entire I pray that you never have to do, or the kind of things that some people do, but you know it really brought home to me the impact of how professors have on students so it's really interesting because there's now a thread running on.

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Elizabeth James: The there's a big 10 alumni for black students it's a big 10 alumni network and the thread running now, or what professors impacted you and I almost put that man's name panel, but I thought it.

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Elizabeth James: With the positive.

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Stephen M Ward: Positive.

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Helen Garbarino: it's a rather than me I titled on mine.

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Helen Garbarino: She got a viewer in her class or so yeah.

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Elizabeth James: Well, he was the head of the program so there was nobody to tell to.

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Helen Garbarino: i'm so sorry i'm so.

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Stephen M Ward: He seemed to be Keith Keith Keith on earth seem to show, he was tied in with with Shapiro and and wallace ways outside of your home.

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Stephen M Ward: So you may have come up when I stepped away, but I can say quickly that Keith and shagger both of returning students I imagined your tongue, and I think that they are the two strongest presentations.

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Stephen M Ward: Projects I want to say, because the presentations where there's a part of their project so Keith actually has many more slides and when he shared Matthew he went in he got into the hate to hate produce, which is.

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Stephen M Ward: You know, of course, which.

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Stephen M Ward: Which one of the things that helped to launch and Nice and 59 helps helped launch.

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Stephen M Ward: Mike wallace but he got into those lomax and those lomax was actually found that project, so he got into a lot of great stuff so the two of them I think their terms of the price of our products really did so I just really so proud of them as trying students who.

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Stephen M Ward: did some great work so really great work.

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Matthew J Countryman: Well, again if they you know if if what they what they hand in is close to being.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know whether it's just slides or whether it's recorded over slides or whatever to being strong enough to being on the website under under under the undergraduate research presentations menu, as distinct things I don't see any reason not to do that.

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Matthew J Countryman: wouldn't we could do a separate meeting for that whoever's interested to have that conversation next week.

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Stephen M Ward: How about this, how about I just say they already know that you know the website has been part of and the.

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Stephen M Ward: Okay, well, I can already tell you those two most likely yeah i'll do that for a fact for next meeting next meeting.

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Matthew J Countryman: I mean I tell you the truth, I mean Obviously he gave a very here the shortest presentation and I, you know if you tell me no way I would get that but you know justin's work on the justin know what's his name.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: That could also be a space, perhaps for the students, so instead of being under the category of sort of undergraduate project, maybe they wanted to adapt their project into a blog post them for them that's also like a nice thing to have a piece of public history out there for.

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Stephen M Ward: And for a block those they could take one portion of their pricing.

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Matthew J Countryman: Personally, about their experience of it as well right right.

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Stephen M Ward: So can I tell them that this blog post, maybe there's a there's a possibility.

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Matthew J Countryman: is about it, maybe they mean let's just say any one of them could do blog post whatever when you have about their presentation.

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Stephen M Ward: i'll say that the bass jt is considering having blog posts on the site in if you if you're interested some of your project would be there, please let me know.

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Matthew J Countryman: So, for example on the student government guy I mean he his blog posts would be a fascinating thing to have have up there, and just just comments yesterday about how.

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Stephen M Ward: Is he had classes with Sandra and at least one other deaths as maybe see you tomorrow bye no signage are talking sondra about this trajectory was very much frame to shake.

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Stephen M Ward: His trajectory and how we came to that project so previous previous DAS Professor class are very much built into what he is analysis.

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Matthew J Countryman: should say that I don't have Tara dear if you've met if you met with jira yet, but the plan for for the discussion with the video stuff that Danny did.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, it was amazing to see it's amazing footage and she she really compiled it well.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, and also just some framing about the central importance of African influence yes and dance to the cultural life of black studies in the 1970.

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Matthew J Countryman: The black power right she just you know that just needs to be put in there, so that explains why it's in the larger piece.

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Elizabeth James: And it really connects with the reasons why we still continue to have things like kwanzaa celebrated in a department, you know what goes to a cultural event that is one of our you know keystone events throughout the year.

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Matthew J Countryman: Is there still a Gospel or black student choir on campus.

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Elizabeth James: I don't know what happened during the pandemic, but the Gospel corral I know, maybe it was two years ago they had me judge a karaoke contest they had which is kind of bizarre for Gospel corral.

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Elizabeth James: And it was guitar at me I don't know what that was about you just never know with our student organizations what you're headed into.

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Matthew J Countryman: Oh, that would be lovely to add into that Chris.

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Matthew J Countryman: Even if it's not active, because the pandemic the was two years ago that's good enough for that matter.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Like the 70s kind of black and white, but I do wonder if the whole documentary at 10 minutes is black and white, like that, then it might feel maybe maybe it needs some some splashes.

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Helen Garbarino: I think I had questions about some of it, because it was really interesting but I didn't have a lot of context so kind of like what everyone said.

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Helen Garbarino: I was the dance video like early stopped because I saw some of those influences I was really curious about it so it's still a huge sign at flint campus so to really sweet to see it here and kind of the origins of that and to learn more about it.

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Elizabeth James: runs the Office for Greek life to the mph see so she can let me know, but I know they still have the step shows again with the pandemic they didn't but I mean even I know from my generation on it was usually like the last day of classes, there was a huge step show at the field house.

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Elizabeth James: And I don't know when that changed over, but then they moved to power Center it's been around on campus so.

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Elizabeth James: Oh yeah they do it at events it's like again you don't want to be sitting there and then suddenly step shows come just dance in through the aisles and you never know you know you just have to.

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Helen Garbarino: i'd like to see our connections to that because I know it's still really important on campus.

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Elizabeth James: I really feel like there's going to be just such a huge explosion of energy from not only the fact that we're going to have to incoming freshman classes who haven't been full on campus all year.

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Elizabeth James: But also the other class that got only half a semester, you know only got one semester you've just got a bunch of people who haven't.

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Matthew J Countryman: I just I just typed in the YouTube search you university Michigan step show, and most of what I got is the marching band, but there were two campus to Kappa ones, one from.

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Elizabeth James: actually find that clip of you said about black celebs Stephen there was one black celeb when James and matt lack and some of the others all started stepping when the alphas came out.

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Elizabeth James: And it was amazing because they had no idea these grown old men we're gonna jump up and start attempting to do, and I say it tempting because it was.

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Elizabeth James: they're going to have a full day of just offense so I know there'll be lots of stepping if we don't have any I mean if we want to have something up to the present, whatever happens, this homecoming and I think it's in September, so it should be still warm hopefully but.

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Helen Garbarino: yeah i'll try to hit you up and see if we can find a student that probably has a video we don't need anything super fancy but it'd be cool to have the comparison from before and now.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: i'll be great Thank you.

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Matthew J Countryman: don't tell anybody my first attempt to do black Greek step show in the search was black geek step show and so don't tell them I said, did that.

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Matthew J Countryman: Alright, so before we get too silly any other pieces of business updates things we need to grapple with before we all go into full blown end of semester graduation mode.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah sure beth and Ashley and I had a wonderful interview and chat with Andre and Jenny.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And so they told us about their experiences and DAS and really sort of spoke to the like the way the desert sort of changed their life trajectories.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: In terms of the courses that they took and the community that they found and the study abroad programs what they did, and how that change the way that they reflect on themselves.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And yeah it was it was awesome really enjoyed it there they're both wonderful people so thanks for setting that up.

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Elizabeth James: different issues than I had even anticipated, you know some things I knew they were going to speak to but they talked very literally about the move to haven hall.

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Matthew J Countryman: I don't even think I think you guys could figure it out, it was this little tiny no windows, in the middle, on the first on the first floor in the middle there, I mean.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And now the interesting thing was that a lot of what Andrea and Jenny was saying about.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: What they were the kind of activist work that they were doing a students echoed what was said by the band people, so I just been watching that interview with.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: be taken seriously, beyond the history of slavery, for example, and under engineer talked about executive those battles and other departments and it's been.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Where they could yeah they could do, what kind of critical research that wasn't balanced in marginalized in that same way.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So there's like generational struggles ready came through strongly so from the interview to.

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Matthew J Countryman: So thank you, thank you and i'm so you, so this is all transcribed it will get posted and all of that.

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Matthew J Countryman: there's no rush, I mean just it's just a reminder, every time with you all history of how much more we can do with oral histories and it's an endless and you know, we should just keep keep at it, because they're really so rich.

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Helen Garbarino: Can we add sondra to that list or interview she's about to be alumni and I think having maybe her story of.

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Helen Garbarino: i'd really love to hear more from her after presentation so little little bit of a personal but i'd also.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know, maybe her and Keith together would be interesting um yeah so that's a really good idea.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And best which folder are we using for these interviews, are we going to put them in our history or.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: History project.

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Elizabeth James: Is there where I put the other one i'm.

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Arielle Chen: So so far we've been putting them in oral history, and then they each have their own folder with the name of the person being interviewed um any of the new interviews if they don't already have.

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Arielle Chen: Like cliff markings, or like a.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And how does the transcription process work, because I know like when the last one I did the interview Deborah Robinson, we have you know from the CC we have that transcript.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah did we always still running it through some other software or would one of us go through that and correct the issue.

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Matthew J Countryman: I don't think we're oral.

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Arielle Chen: For oral histories that have life has the feature we've we have not been running into the same time, just because it does require a cost but for things that do not have that feature already, especially the archives materials.

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Arielle Chen: that's what we have the funding to run.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay got it got it okay.

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Matthew J Countryman: But we do need, so we do need someone to listen to the tape and compare it to the transcripts and do the corrections and then it makes sense, I mean we're possible if it's the same person right, they can also think about.

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Matthew J Countryman: How to.

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Matthew J Countryman: chop it up, in essence, how to create many, many oral histories that are annotated people know what the subject matter is.

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Matthew J Countryman: So that people don't have to listen to the whole interview in order to find whatever it is future researchers won't have to listen to the whole interview to find whatever it is they're looking for in that in the interview which I think is really important for undergrads be.

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Wayne High: To be frank.

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Matthew J Countryman: Right, so that if undergrads are going to use this material they're not going to sit through a two hour interview to try to find that one nugget like some crazy nerdy Grad student.

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Matthew J Countryman: But i'd be fascinated the whole time by everything else, but what you're looking for right so.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: In the.

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Helen Garbarino: History people in here.

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Matthew J Countryman: And then forget what you what it is, you came for in the first place.

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Matthew J Countryman: but, rather, so if we can annotate that I think that's really worked well and it's going to make it much more usable material for undergraduate teaching and for you know alumni who wander in and things too so.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: did anyone know about that.

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Arielle Chen: That would be me it depends on how you're trying to move it because some.

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Arielle Chen: If you're trying to move individual files versus trying to move a whole folder unfortunately that isn't always that great when it comes to moving folders.

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Arielle Chen: i'm going to check your accesses.

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Arielle Chen: But if you are trying to move a whole folder there's a possibility that you won't be able to do that just because sometimes Google drive doesn't allow that.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: OK, I see.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay, I was both files and folders have the move to option is grayed out.

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Wayne High: Well, are we doing that I think i'll take a moment to report, no progress as of yet with regard to our storage in some respects.

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Wayne High: 25 terabytes take some time to provision and that's where we are right now, while that is happening, I think.

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Wayne High: We may still need to work through some of the details that are associated with access i've had a.

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Wayne High: Community created and I may have to change the nature of that community such that when someone's requesting access to that storage, it could hit all of our inbox is because all of us here on this call are Members in that group that was created, so I hope to have.

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Wayne High: Joe power in john's.

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Wayne High: resolution and the upcoming week so that I can brief everyone on what we look like going forward.

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Wayne High: But I was able to determine that the $230 a year costs is before the costs year by the time the college's costs year kicks in our annual cost with 25 terabytes is like 30 bucks so it's a bit and said comparison so.

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Wayne High: that's all I had to report unless Arielle you or Helen pick up something that I might have missed from last round of communications.

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Helen Garbarino: No that's kind of what I got from it.

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Arielle Chen: Why do have one thing for the dropbox shared drive.

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Arielle Chen: If there's anyone else that needs to be added, if they just get added to the Community that when creative, they should be all set to get added if they have any access issues feel free to send me a message, but as of right now it's shared to everyone that's on that can that m community.

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Matthew J Countryman: Did I see there was some sort of may 1 deadline for.

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Wayne High: box dropbox create.

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Matthew J Countryman: You haven't done yet there are some some I can't imagine they'll keep you from doing it after May 1 but.

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Arielle Chen: They won't keep you, but the but the reason that that deadline is there is because.

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Arielle Chen: Basically what's going to start happening over the summer is people are going to get transition over and all the files will start getting transition over, and if you do not have a dropbox.

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Arielle Chen: Account created any em box of materials and you have the you do not personally own will not get shared with you again, so you have to go through the share across again so for everyone.

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Matthew J Countryman: Listening to them box to drop boxes similar to my first yes.

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Arielle Chen: Yes, because they're going to start that process so for everyone here, and all of your colleagues, please, please, please tell them to make a dropbox account even if they don't plan on using it often.

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Arielle Chen: Because of their shared on anything they don't have an account by the time those files are being transferred from inbox they won't get X.

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Wayne High: So the carrot becomes if you have created the account the data has moved for you, without you needing to do anything else.

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Matthew J Countryman: That was great what happens to me as they're excited.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Are you would you recommend like if, for example, if you already have a large personal dropbox I already have a large personal dropbox which is on my desktop as well as in the cloud should I.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Which is not on my you miss account should I create a separate you miss dropbox and keep those two separate do you think Oh, should I try and combine them.

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Arielle Chen: For personal files just because you may not always want your personal documents being related to your you have an account, I will keep them separate just.

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Arielle Chen: Okay i'm wary of everything, because it has to access that anything that under your home.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I see.

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Arielle Chen: But still make the account, because if people are trying to share to you, you won't get you won't get it if you don't have an account right.

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Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay, that makes sense, thank you.

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Wayne High: I echo that recommendation.

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Stephen M Ward: Sorry, what did your message I real is everyone should create it already create a dropbox account next week before the first correct.

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Arielle Chen: Yes, just to be safe.

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Matthew J Countryman: Now I will say that I merged my to.

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Matthew J Countryman: My dropbox with you have them.

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Matthew J Countryman: You know.

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Matthew J Countryman: On the theory that there's so much data, nobody anything i'm trying to hide that was the look forward anyway so that's fine but that's.

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Matthew J Countryman: Okay it's just it's just a different way of managing the problem it's not not not not a recommendation just tell you how I do it okay.

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Arielle Chen: What add the caveat that if a lot of your files are very large and that you're if you're paying for that storage then definitely transfer that over because you have them as covering.

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Arielle Chen: A lot more storage and so you don't personally have to pay for it, but if you do have documents that may be personal documents that you don't know necessarily wanting you to see thing keep them separate.

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Matthew J Countryman: Right so that's the carrot for merging them is it they'll pay for the extra storage.

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Matthew J Countryman: Alright, so for now I think that's enough for today um obviously there will, if anything, comes up in the next two weeks that you don't want to wait or can't wait to reach reach out whether it's.

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Matthew J Countryman: Technical stuff obviously to Helen Ariel and Wayne if it's content stuff you want to run by me as well i'm very happy to to look at that.

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Matthew J Countryman: No, I do I, one thing I hope will do.

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Matthew J Countryman: May you may try to make some decisions about what we what our capacities for doing more or less least the summer, because I want to keep that momentum going.

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Matthew J Countryman: I do think that we will probably go to this every other week model.

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Matthew J Countryman: will suddenly through the whole summer and maybe might well be do that in the fall arm.

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Matthew J Countryman: Unless you know, unless we have a compelling reason to do it weekly and then, if we do have a million ways to do it weekly it probably wasn't involved in the or Stephen weekly will probably be doing every other week given, given that will both be only.

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Matthew J Countryman: And I will you know I will continue to see if we can get other faculty to.

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Matthew J Countryman: To.

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Matthew J Countryman: join in the group, but that doesn't seem like an imperative to me it feels like we can do in Stephen and I can manage.

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Matthew J Countryman: Our roles, even though even lonely so that's that's sort of my thinking about how to manage to leave time.

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Elizabeth James: Well, I propose that the whole 50 committee go on sabbatical.

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Elizabeth James: And we can meet in the red rock Canyon.

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Matthew J Countryman: Yes, yes I recognize that you're referencing a little bit of privilege here beth and i'll take.

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Wayne High: what's the entertainment over there about.

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Elizabeth James: well.

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Elizabeth James: You eat minutes from the Las Vegas strip so you know you can be in the wilderness.

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Elizabeth James: Our.

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Elizabeth James: valley of fire, I mean we got everything for you out there in.

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Helen Garbarino: California it's not that far.

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Elizabeth James: out.

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Elizabeth James: 90 minute drive.

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Elizabeth James: i'm telling you.

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Elizabeth James: This is, this is my current daydream of years to come.

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Matthew J Countryman: Over there was a.

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Matthew J Countryman: there's a ED theorists guy who's proposed solution to the problem of higher ED access is to get these high prestige schools to create separate to clone themselves create separate campuses so maybe, what we need is it University of Michigan at Las Vegas campus.

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Helen Garbarino: didn't we already clone ourselves.

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Matthew J Countryman: You would have trouble politically with the deer point blank canvas is, if you decided to start winning in Las Vegas no question but.

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Elizabeth James: Well, I just was.

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Matthew J Countryman: Also justice standpoint I think reinvesting in flint dearborn would be the better answer but.

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Elizabeth James: It really would be.

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Elizabeth James: Though there, they are moving some of the MED Center out to grand rapids because I know that they're going to start doing transplants over there, then Ann arbor has in you know currently is the only.

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Elizabeth James: You will them site where transplants are done so they're they're on the move, so you never know, then I just attended the lead seminar on the strong connections that we have with so many programs between hbc us and you have them so.

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Elizabeth James: i'll go out there and found a little hbc you and.

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Elizabeth James: A little bit that's me.

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Matthew J Countryman: that's HP see you at Las Vegas.

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Helen Garbarino: All attendance.

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Stephen M Ward: Long.

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Helen Garbarino: As the acronyms or.

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Stephen M Ward: Four it's going to be a long after yo.

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Matthew J Countryman: Alright y'all.

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Matthew J Countryman: Go ahead Steve sorry.

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Stephen M Ward: As well as Matthew away, can I ask was down one minute, after a nicer quick question.

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Matthew J Countryman: Sure, please.

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Matthew J Countryman: So again, let me just.

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Matthew J Countryman: Say thanks everybody has been really and will you know we're gonna keep on keepin on so it doesn't it ended but, but just really appreciate all you've done this past year, we should all be patting ourselves on the back so.

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Helen Garbarino: thank all of you for your home.

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Elizabeth James: it's a team it's a team.

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Wayne High: dream to.

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Matthew J Countryman: dream team.

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Elizabeth James: So Wayne i'll be on my way to you.