Matthew J Countryman: burning the midnight oil at both ends, or something.
Matthew J Countryman: So um I don't have anything particular so let's just do updates and see where we are.
Okay.
Stephen M Ward: um don't do we expect do we expect that to join us today.
Wayne High: I don't believe that beth will be joining us because she had asked for on.
Wayne High: Good Friday as a vacation so she POPs in that would be an unexpected surprise.
Stephen M Ward: BONUS Okay, I asked, because the data I have is.
Stephen M Ward: I want to confirm with best but i'm from my class, you know have planned to have.
Stephen M Ward: Have any event, where they make presentations some form about the work they're doing, including what can contribute to the website, and so I want to confirm with beth with the date the time we have scheduled April 21 7pm.
Stephen M Ward: So that's the last day of classes.
Stephen M Ward: But so soon as I can, with beth out lights confirm that and then.
Stephen M Ward: advertise it.
Stephen M Ward: As.
Stephen M Ward: well.
Stephen M Ward: i'm sorry right I didn't but also want to see twice in this body would like to be have be evolved, or at least be aware of.
Stephen M Ward: It.
Matthew J Countryman: But all my calendar.
Wayne High: I say a few pencil it in it's a very good pencil Stephen because beth has talked about participating.
Stephen M Ward: Right so that's so that's an added together came up with the day and time I just I want to confirm with her that I that I, that is the correct one we identified i'm pretty sure it is, I need to confirm that with her Okay, I see yeah.
Stephen M Ward: um but then wants to do what had to go ahead, go ahead and kind of advertise it or scheduling software.
See.
Arielle Chen: A.
Matthew J Countryman: girl.
Arielle Chen: i'm so for the events Helen and I work together, earlier this week to talk about how to be able to embed videos onto the website without slowing it down and we were able to do that through the Michigan website that we got from JESSICA.
Arielle Chen: So the event with freedom is now available on the website under the events page, so if anyone wants to share, you can share it there and then, as we get more events will be able to upload it.
Arielle Chen: To that website and embed it.
Matthew J Countryman: that's great news.
Stephen M Ward: Yes, as a matter.
Wayne High: i'm trying to share my screen, I hope you all can see it.
Wayne High: This week i've been.
Wayne High: Reaching around the campus looking at who can help us determine a long term storage solution, and these were some of the options that were available to us.
Wayne High: amy Peters.
Wayne High: Who heads up the research component i've been.
Wayne High: i've tapped into her to utilize the expertise over there, so.
Wayne High: we've even got some feedback from the library, so what you're looking at here is some of the storage options that we have now, when you look at this you don't see a whole lot of memory and that's what i'm engaging people with so i'll be looking to.
Wayne High: engage Arielle and.
Wayne High: Helen in this effort, because if you ask me, I know just enough to be dangerous.
Wayne High: I know what I want in terms of size components i'm asking somewhere between 25 and 50 terabytes so that we have room to grow into as we move forward, and when you look at the matrix that's up on the screen.
Wayne High: It seems like I can get one terabyte chunks but i'm going to ask for what I believe the project needs in order to continue to.
Wayne High: process, the information we have, and yet leave room for growth, so I hope to have an update subsequent to.
Wayne High: hashing this out in the upcoming week and the library does have a Tuesday 330 meeting that i'm considering plugging into but I need to know, though the schedule if Helen and Arielle are available, if I can get on their schedule so more to follow on that, but.
Wayne High: 25 to 50 terabytes is what i'm trying to get Ahold of so that we can Park, the information to a place where it's available for everyone and not have to worry about it being moved or deleted without notice.
Wayne High: Well that's the update for me.
Matthew J Countryman: Thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: Does anybody is there any additional.
Matthew J Countryman: contributions on that topic, specifically at this.
Matthew J Countryman: Point are we.
Wayne High: Almost forgot.
Wayne High: With ourselves assistance we weren't able to get a hold of nisha and look at the material that's out in the study abroad area so nisha may have already started putting dates and locations, as the file names, with some of that information that's out there.
Wayne High: And I believe some of it may have been helpful to her as well, and she may have been snagging snapshots to us in her forthcoming manuscript.
Wayne High: yeah that's all I have now that was Oh, by the way, if you would.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: that's great thanks when I also added in the folder that you created called study abroad and I created a folder for Deborah Robinson storing some of her materials so maybe we can use that study abroad folder as a general.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: kind of material for the study abroad project, so if it's Okay, maybe I could create a folder for nisha specifically and moves those videos in there.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: you're you're muted yeah.
Wayne High: I don't think that's a problem we just need to make sure that.
Wayne High: The link is.
Wayne High: updated for new right that she has access to it.
Wayne High: goddess.
Wayne High: Or we all may have some thoughts on that, though, because, like I said I know just enough to be dangerous.
Arielle Chen: For nisha is currently shared on a folder that has her name on it currently if you move it.
Arielle Chen: It should keep her on it, but if you have any issues, please let me know and the title can be changed as long as whoever needs to contribute is shared on that folder alone in case there's any sensitive material in our drive that we don't want other people to see us at the moment.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay, I see I see so maybe yeah because i've been like i'm working on interview questions for the interview with Deborah and stuff so maybe I should make a separate general study abroad folder then and this one can be the one Whitney shots information.
Arielle Chen: yeah because what we could do is have a main folder for all the study abroad and then each specific study abroad or person related to study abroad can have their own folder and then they can be shared on that specific order to be able to contribute materials.
Arielle Chen: At it like that.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: That makes sense okay cool.
Arielle Chen: If you have any issues with setting up those folders or the tiered list, let me know i'm happy to meet up individually.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Thanks.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: um yeah i'm.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Sorry go ahead when.
Wayne High: As you lay out everything, please know that there are a couple more of digital media files that I have that will need to that I will be looking for opportunities to.
Wayne High: Get.
Wayne High: transferred into digital format and I have at least.
Wayne High: Seven to 10 more of those that I need to do so, you will have a lot to draw from as I, you know more people get their shots I can get the material in the hands of people that can do the work for us.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Right okay great.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: i'm so delighted to find out when the Deborah Robinson thing just to confirm that the last one I are going to be interviewing her next Friday just before our usual meeting.
yeah.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: um I also have a quick question.
Dolapo Raheemat Raji: Alright, so hashing and I supposed to collaborate on the transcription but she said she doesn't have access to the folder I don't know that's.
Matthew J Countryman: Actually.
Arielle Chen: Our world double check and similar to the chat.
Ashley Marie Hayes: Thank you.
Thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: So on this just one thought for those of you working on this to various study abroad issues um which is not related to the history is related to the President.
Matthew J Countryman: We.
Matthew J Countryman: have started having conversations Benedict and I, we did with nisha little bit about rethinking study abroad for the department.
Matthew J Countryman: Partly well in response in large part to the fact of the universities or colleges policies on study abroad have somewhat changed over the over recent years.
Matthew J Countryman: So if if you.
Matthew J Countryman: were to see or think about some.
Matthew J Countryman: Specific to DAS criteria, but what is study rotc program or, to be able to accomplish accomplish.
encompass.
Matthew J Countryman: That would be really actually really helpful to have the history to form the President conversation so whether it's through the interviews looking at nisha the interview with nation, the past some of the materials you're collecting.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, with some point, maybe sort of early May or something we might revisit this question and and.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, try to move just be helpful to have the input.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Sure i'll keep that in mind.
Matthew J Countryman: um.
Matthew J Countryman: So I was because I have a quick two small well one one update um.
Matthew J Countryman: We had a very good conversation beth and Helen and Ariel and I about.
Matthew J Countryman: The.
Matthew J Countryman: Some of the materials from the.
Matthew J Countryman: That we have photographs from the from the basement the various material object collections and photo collections.
Matthew J Countryman: and
Matthew J Countryman: As you know.
Matthew J Countryman: we're.
Matthew J Countryman: engaged with comfort on some proposals for that, but so that will we're all right we're all excited about working with comfort on that and getting that information so that's that's the one update on that, but also on each individual culture.
Matthew J Countryman: beth met with, I have a report from this with Kristen brand, who is the head of museum study the museum studies program and we're about to post.
Matthew J Countryman: Their work willing to fund and we're going to post division for a Grad student to work this summer on a retrospective of the DAS gallery over time as a possible thing for the for the website.
Matthew J Countryman: what's unresolved in that process is because i'm also in been engaged with competitions Ray silverman about his particular particular period of his work on the desk gallery.
Matthew J Countryman: And he's interested in doing something for the website as well, whether that will end up being one thing or two things.
Matthew J Countryman: I don't know but I don't think it's um.
Matthew J Countryman: I mean really comes down to what how Ray wants to position his involvement, whether he wants to collaborate with an intern from museum studies or whether he rather do his own thing and I, to my mind, both are good so it's we'll see um.
Matthew J Countryman: Now the other piece of it just just as a heads up is in theory.
Matthew J Countryman: either, but most likely the museum studies piece could include an actual exhibit in the desk gallery once we open back up.
Matthew J Countryman: And so we're going to continue those conversations, but it seems obviously very appropriate to the 15th anniversary to actually have some kind of retrospective exhibit on the whole history of desk gallery, including potentially earlier than the desk gallery issues of.
Matthew J Countryman: Exit exit exhibition and visual culture within the department right that goes back to her through our entire history, so all of that is churning and.
Matthew J Countryman: still not specifically clear, but we have.
Matthew J Countryman: We went from having nothing going on to having a lot going on in a very short period of time around those issues so that's that's very exciting.
Matthew J Countryman: So hopefully have more on that.
Matthew J Countryman: Well, I have more on the museum studies piece of it next week it'll take a little longer right right and are supposed to talk about two weeks down the road we'll have more more in both those things.
Matthew J Countryman: guitar I was just a thumbs up okay.
Helen Garbarino: Do you want to discuss the curation of the art section, as we build it out.
Matthew J Countryman: um by our section you mean the piece is separate from the issues raised by for comfort.
Helen Garbarino: yeah in our meeting we had discussed on because all of the collections went up by JESSICA, which is why I was lacking information.
Helen Garbarino: So doing something that is more curated to make sure all the objects are appropriate, but we still have a landing page for our collections, while we work on the database side of things.
Matthew J Countryman: Well, I so that's interesting.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm interested to hear people's thoughts because, because in some ways, I think.
Matthew J Countryman: Again, the long term answer to that question has to do with these two other with these desk gallery retrospectives, so this is really neat.
Matthew J Countryman: meeting a medium term question right should particularly the I think the contemporary.
Matthew J Countryman: Art work in our possession that Helen has done such great job of documenting and digitizing should that be visible on our website.
Matthew J Countryman: with minimal minimal curation.
Matthew J Countryman: Because we don't have the time or the expertise, while we work on the long term solution.
Matthew J Countryman: So i'm interested in people's perspectives on it, I think that's a great a great question to ask.
Matthew J Countryman: don't jump on jump at once.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: just looking at the page again i'm posted it in the chat as well.
Stephen M Ward: How about in the course of.
Stephen M Ward: um.
Stephen M Ward: So, then, the next step, there is that the longer is just part of the longer term curation right that's where right now.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah I mean you know, again, some of these things are still I mean I can't say for sure that everything in the collection will be part of these durations I mean that's the point um.
Matthew J Countryman: And so there is a kind of I mean there's an archival.
Matthew J Countryman: imperative if you were I mean to make visible, but we have to two people, even if it's not been curated right, I mean that's the do we give access to people have access to this material.
Stephen M Ward: Right right.
Matthew J Countryman: Now it's.
Matthew J Countryman: there's not a curation of it that's that's very developed.
Stephen M Ward: So.
Stephen M Ward: My thought, but i'm not.
Stephen M Ward: i'm questioning for my thought was as and in the preliminary steps.
Stephen M Ward: If there are a few pieces that stand out as i'm have a combination of what a few pieces that have some visual or other, you know historic clear value.
Stephen M Ward: Doing do not seem to be burdened with a need for much contextual occur curatorial.
Stephen M Ward: No presence in, there are a few that need that and put them there this with a lines is humping like a sampling, this would not be the best language something to indicate this is a sampling of the larger work.
Helen Garbarino: The curtis collection could be that because we had that's the most complete and it is something that we have in our physical space, so we could do that and show that we have this unique set of artwork but that's very curated and the public facing.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Things that's a good idea and it's just looking through these cuz i'm some of them.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: To Matthews points as well about having an archive that people can look at, I wonder if it would be possible, instead of having.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The images kind of displayed the way that JESSICA did it were to just source I assume we're just source per label so i'm guessing it's sourcing everything with the label artwork I don't know if that's right handed and.
Helen Garbarino: She had no conversation, so I haven't Okay, she did, and that was kind of the issue right.
Helen Garbarino: I did go in and some of the photos were actually faculty artwork so JESSICA had no knowledge on because I did have to go through, and ask Wayne we have some faculty that collect their own artwork so finding out what's is DAS and what is not.
Helen Garbarino: was a challenge, so that whole page, I did not know how to fix it.
Helen Garbarino: Essentially, she left it, as is but I agree, because even, in some of the cassettes I wouldn't have.
Helen Garbarino: Put the cassettes out because they're just not visually impactful you have to kind of find the little gems within it there there aren't any artworks or anything to go with it so.
Helen Garbarino: That was just a problem from the rush that we had.
Helen Garbarino: And I did attempt to go put text in but I broke the page, so it was one of those things that I think I would rather scrap it and start to build it on my own, so that we know exactly what we're doing.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: right because I could see kind of down the line i'm having a list of folders like an online archive where people could click through and they could look at work by desk faculty for example, could be another one could be one of the categories another could be.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Certain collection certain people's connections, like the curtis collection and that one does seem to be the one that, as you say, is like most.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Is has already been curated it I see there's like included amongst these images is the desk what's his collection description and the biography of curtis and etc so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: As for the others it's also like it's like a mix of different pieces of often and other things that.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: might be considered often certain contexts might be considered to have other meanings and other contexts, as is the case with the ooma, for example, so yeah I think I tend to agree with you Helen.
Wayne High: yeah.
Wayne High: Tara you hit what I was thinking of.
Wayne High: And that is that some of it we might.
Wayne High: We see it as art, some of it might be considered objects or implements.
Wayne High: In addition, so categories such as that perhaps within that we may want to do a little bit of parsing to better identify and that may also help us with.
Wayne High: The generation of context as well.
Matthew J Countryman: So I actually so here's what I think i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: I think that the priority has to should not be speed, it should be proper contextualization.
Matthew J Countryman: And so that if we're.
Matthew J Countryman: Close to be able to do that, or maybe at the point where we can do that effectively with the curtis collection, then that start there and let's you know I think we need is.
Matthew J Countryman: To.
Matthew J Countryman: create a excellent explanatory framework that people see when they click on it that work that satisfactory and so maybe what I would suggest is.
Matthew J Countryman: If Helen if you're willing to take on for that particular one the lead on putting together a draft sort of framing language that people would see when they click on it, that we can once we have approved that we can go with that.
Helen Garbarino: it's best to because she did his most recent exhibit so I feel like she probably has.
Matthew J Countryman: Perfect perfect and what I would like, but I would say about the rest of it is the goal should be to get it all, as much of it as we deem appropriate.
Matthew J Countryman: up as as we can, but that's the priority has to be a proper exploit explanatory framework that not only addresses its provenance how you know it's where that i've stolen from comfort because it's so helpful.
Matthew J Countryman: It tells us where it came from how we came to own it why we own it all that, but also what it is.
Matthew J Countryman: Right, so that you do that's my concern is if someone's you could say.
Matthew J Countryman: Okay, fine I know this is the curse collection, but what the hell is this thing at the bottom of the page right so there's just all.
Matthew J Countryman: These other.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm sorry.
Helen Garbarino: I know Ray worked on those images is is he had a point where I could maybe tap on him for some of the explanation.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: If you know if you have specific questions do you think he getting into with once you let me know what those are and then we'll go from there.
Matthew J Countryman: I suspect, yes.
Matthew J Countryman: I think he's very enthusiastic to help with the website, you know the sense of.
Matthew J Countryman: of your you know reticence on his part, has more to do with the gallery itself exhibits, then it has to do with the website, so I think there's probably no i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: No problem asking for his help before I he and i've had a longer conversation, though I would at least like to know what what's going to him before we do that, which is talking on the 12th so that's only 10 days so it's not a huge amount of time.
Helen Garbarino: Of course I just know he did he helped with the reproductions that we currently have, so I felt like he might know some of.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, again I think if there's specific questions for him.
Helen Garbarino: I would be the only one is the process of the reproduction, because I don't I don't have that knowledge, but I have.
Helen Garbarino: The bios and a lot of other pieces.
Matthew J Countryman: I see we get when you're ready to ask them a question just run it by me first and then we'll go with it.
Matthew J Countryman: You know.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: From the sorry.
Matthew J Countryman: Again, just to emphasize to that I think we're you know, on the one hand, we want the goal has to be to get everything up in front of people, but we want to do it in a way that clarity or people understand what they're looking at red car.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah just another one that I was thinking could could already go up is um there's that artwork of the kind of cast building.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: And, with a little description of that and I know I think, maybe you guys have used some of that in some of the other like header images and stuff but I mean that's a cool and it's emblematic of of how casts again and it's pretty straightforward.
Matthew J Countryman: Great and that will be actually great to link to once that was up, then you could be a link to the podcast that will upload it right, because that talks about that period um so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah I was just looking it's also cool image for the documentary that we could.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Put in so.
Stephen M Ward: Are you talking about the painting about this one yeah.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: The painting of the House.
Matthew J Countryman: You know the other thing i'm looking at here is the is the collection of record albums.
Matthew J Countryman: um, which is another place where I mean it's, this is not it's fine to just leave it as is for now, but at some point you'd want to have an explanation of what.
Matthew J Countryman: What is this, and why is it here, and you know it's simply to let people know look there's these things here that you might if you have some use for.
Matthew J Countryman: Research from a research or teaching perspective, you can find you know we have access to this material and that's a perfectly reasonable reason to have it posted and visible.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, even if we don't have a clear explanation for why we have that makes record albums in our basement.
Matthew J Countryman: So.
Wayne High: It seems like a lot of records, but we really returned the lion's share back to the donor so.
Wayne High: occurred on that curtis.
Wayne High: Dr Stan differ and the Read collections both went to Dr stand for when Maxwell Read said I turned my stuff over to you, Jim so that was about a truckload of stuff left so we would have had even more.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: With those records, with a form part of the story of the gas mixtape got to hear, and I think Stephen will you, you had some involvement with that as well.
Wayne High: Some.
Stephen M Ward: Second, to hear.
Wayne High: Some records may have.
Wayne High: been duplicates because some of the collection, that is, they are now we're donations from Julius as well.
Matthew J Countryman: And this is a lot of jazz, which is a little bit different than what to hear was talking about.
Wayne High: All genres of music that had been captured between the Read collection and the standard for collection.
Wayne High: That was a call from nisha so i'll have to talk with her after this meeting.
Wayne High: she's probably looking for i'll give her a heads up are about where your we intend to relocate, but she should still have access.
Okay cool.
Matthew J Countryman: Any other.
Matthew J Countryman: updates for us today.
Matthew J Countryman: Okay well seems like we're.
Matthew J Countryman: All set to move forward i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: On various things so.
Matthew J Countryman: Thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: Helen and when can you hang on for a second yeah.
Stephen M Ward: Thanks bye everybody.