Elizabeth James: course we get.
Elizabeth James: We have to get Professor shaffer's is to Ghana.
Elizabeth James: That is yet i'm.
Elizabeth James: i'm thinking of a gustin holding an archaeological one we had.
Wayne High: To do them also didn't meet.
Elizabeth James: You sear Henry did some South Africa ones for us mamadou juve we have some people who left the university lori hill did South Africa.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: there's were different, as.
Elizabeth James: Well, from nisha and some were running concurrently with nisha.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So yeah.
Elizabeth James: You know, and then we have of course neon bora did you know Tanzania, and so I think nate and do we count the study in brod's because I did a couple of in broads to Detroit we helped with New Orleans you know we've had some that were within the country too, though I think in.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: More vast yeah I have to go some folks either could be intuitive and others who come after me continue adding to it, or it can be, or it can just be a sort of database of stuff for now and it's not yet made you know public.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: hey messy you know we're just.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Talking about ideas.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I was late, so I just.
Wayne High: Thank you for reminding me, we also need to add the money and quasi to that.
Wayne High: Right good study abroad.
Elizabeth James: mm hmm.
Wayne High: gotten about those two.
Wayne High: So.
Matthew J Countryman: It sounds like we should maybe as a separate thing is construct just literally a list.
Matthew J Countryman: Maybe a logical list.
Matthew J Countryman: or try to reconstruct it.
Matthew J Countryman: Because we probably won't you know.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Going back listen again.
Elizabeth James: And then that's not even counting all the early ones, you know that I had found in the timeline from the 70s and 80s, the proceeded Barbara robinson's.
Elizabeth James: You know experiences, you know she came in at a certain time but way back, we were that was pretty and I thought it was really impressive that I think it was 1978 around in there.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: We had.
Elizabeth James: Some early study abroad.
So.
Wayne High: This is a great segue to provide an update and that nisha has had an opportunity to look at the material that we have digitized us for and she's put.
Wayne High: Locating and timeframes on it on each one of those so.
Wayne High: That should help as well.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: that's great Thank you.
Wayne High: So i'll see what I can do in this current environment to get some of the other products that we have digitized.
Wayne High: not sure just how rapid people would be able to respond, but i'll pull the string we'll see what comes on the end of it.
Elizabeth James: And when I come into the Office for commencement tyra i'll be sure to pull the syllabus from the years that I went with mom to do and lori.
Elizabeth James: Thank you and I know we have your sears to because we were helping on the you know from the back end, so we have all the ones that are not nisha to South Africa.
Okay.
Elizabeth James: Because they were just as many you know it's it seems like you know it looks like nisha was you know the the lead and she was amazing, but we also had like I said other ones going that we're at the same time and we're pretty powerful to.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Can so maybe i'll make like a working list and then i'll ask for your inputs, as I go along beth and Wayne.
Elizabeth James: sounds good.
Wayne High: and other news, by way of an update Arielle and Helen please feel free to chime in if I don't get any of this right.
Wayne High: We were able to.
Wayne High: computer's acting up here.
Wayne High: We were able to participate with the research in a.
Wayne High: zoom session, and we have submitted a request for.
Wayne High: I think it was 25 terabytes of memory.
Wayne High: And we are also right now engaged in.
Wayne High: A discussion talking about the architecture to access the data we've looked at an RN talks also about do we want to go with a three to one storage model or some variation there up 321 being.
Wayne High: Integrity of the backup one question that we asked was.
Wayne High: Where are the backups are they these options are they stored in the same space and, for me, that was a critical question because.
Wayne High: There was in one of my previous lives, where we had backups but all the backups were in the same physical location, as the primary so the casualty took out everything so that's one question that they didn't know the answer to, but they were going to look at it.
Wayne High: turbo storage architecture, they are trying to form some people around to help us carry it forward one of the other things that i've done was created a Community group for all of us here with the tag DAS.
Wayne High: Historic historical and archival group, so it should be active in the Community directory now and we would be able to use that are others would be able to use that group move.
Wayne High: Through the data database when they want to get to the database, they would need to ask for permission, and this, the group, the members of the group would be visible to everyone so they know who to go to.
Wayne High: ask for access, so they would just send it to the collective and we would get it, we would vet it and i'm working through that lash up with.
Wayne High: Joel Bauer and.
Wayne High: john keels like miss anything real Ellen.
Helen Garbarino: don't think so, those are kind of my big concerns to was that things don't go away after we put this much effort into it.
Helen Garbarino: I think the one other thing wasn't it called deep blue storage in particular.
Helen Garbarino: yeah so it's a high level of deep stores, it takes a long time to access things, but they did, let us know a lot of museums use that.
Helen Garbarino: For items in their collection as really permanent storage so you're not accessing it all the time, but there's always another copy, and I really secure area.
Helen Garbarino: So won't be as good for public facing but that would be what turbo would be for is more of the public facing research component and the backend would be for us to make sure these things never go away.
Arielle Chen: The other thing that's enervated is right now we've been using dropbox in order to be able to embed.
Arielle Chen: audio and video on the website, we are going to continue using that because university isn't moving over and for everyone on this team it's really important that.
Arielle Chen: You and any of your colleagues have created a u of m dropbox account if you go to the link that I just sent you're able to log into your single.
Arielle Chen: sign on and that's really important, because as things are put it over anything that you have shared.
Arielle Chen: Through inbox will be ported over to dropbox and the same sharing settings will be there as long as everyone on those files and documents have a dropbox account prior to that transition so for our team.
Arielle Chen: Especially as like the team check changes and new people come in and people phase out.
Arielle Chen: we'll have our dropbox files there and we'll be able to remain there so that we can continue embedding them into the.
Arielle Chen: into the website so if you haven't already please, please, please make sure that you have created your dropbox account through your you have an ID in order to allow for that transition and for us to be able to provide access to anyone who the back end website information.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So area, just to clarify, is this the dropbox in which, like videos and pictures are located, is it an address dropbox or is it a personal dropbox.
Arielle Chen: weirdly it's a personal but actually now that we have mentioned that he created a community for us i'm going to create a or if anyone else wants to do that, but I can create a group dropbox for us.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: that'd be great great i'm asking also because, to hear and Danny and I are having problems working collaboratively on a premier project and.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: One of the problems, seems to be that the location of the files has to be the same for all of us, otherwise it won't show up on each of our computers so.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So if if all of the Media we using was located in the same desk dropbox that meant that we and others who come after us to would be able to you know pick up on the role the role sequences in premiere and editors and use it for other projects.
Arielle Chen: yeah and it wouldn't be converted in the way that sometimes perfect converted in Google drive.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Great.
Arielle Chen: And then, as people come in and other people are called on to work on the website to embed audio video, they will be able to do it with the links coming through dropbox that's much easier than trying to pathway through Google drive.
Arielle Chen: After this meeting i'll set up that.
Arielle Chen: Okay.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: awesome Thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: Okay, so so it sounds like things are proceeding.
Wayne High: Do.
Matthew J Countryman: I didn't hear and correct me if i'm wrong, I need for a specific decision at this moment is that.
Matthew J Countryman: Is that right.
Wayne High: There isn't a need for a specific decision at this point because.
Wayne High: One of the things that we found out is that our memory requests can move up or down shrink or expand as we need to as much as we're willing to pay for.
Wayne High: I will have a conversation with Joe about the pricing structure, because the prices that he quoted seem to be double what I saw when I went to sign up for it so i'm looking for that discount to help gas as money go a little further okay.
Matthew J Countryman: So who else, I have a few updates, but let me see who else does um.
Matthew J Countryman: we've already had the conversation we finished in our we finish with a study abroad, competition, we need to have.
Matthew J Countryman: um.
Matthew J Countryman: sounds like.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: pretty much I think yeah Matthew I was just conveying to the others that.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I don't sort of have a definite like product in mind for the end of this term for the study abroad work, I was telling them I had this idea about an interactive map but but Bethan when we're pointing out, and I think, quite rightly, that and.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I would only have like the tip of the iceberg, if I started putting information onto that map at the moment, and maybe that would help get some people irritated if they notice that their study abroad programs are not included on that so wary of of doing that yet, but.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: For now, I mean have a report that i'm working on, as per your your request and.
Matthew J Countryman: So, actually, let me mean that's actually one of the issues that I wanted to bring up with it i'm wondering.
Matthew J Countryman: If we need a new section to the website that would be that would call a blog That would be a place where.
Matthew J Countryman: um well you know, for example, that you know there's just a piece of Kelly asked you, if the African city Center that i've never managed to get that could go there, but so could kind of works in progress where it's an opportunity.
Matthew J Countryman: For Grad students who've been working on a project.
Matthew J Countryman: To.
Matthew J Countryman: You know, to to reflect on what they've achieved, you know where they learn from it and to and what they you know what insights they have, but to do it in a way that acknowledges it's not it's a work in progress.
Matthew J Countryman: And you know it is that sense of public facing public scholarship publication.
Matthew J Countryman: right on a on an identifiable blog so for Grad students in undergraduates Franklin so I was thinking that we could create that I mean, I have a couple other things, I would point in that direction so that's one thing that I wanted to raise today as a.
Matthew J Countryman: As a possibility.
Matthew J Countryman: And you know it's a way in which, particularly when people done important work that we really need to preserve but it's not yet ready to be an exhibit or or something like that.
Matthew J Countryman: That it could be.
Matthew J Countryman: Put in so that that's that's one of the things I wanted to propose today.
Matthew J Countryman: And it's it sounds like would be perfect, for the work you've done.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: It would be great yeah because there are things emerging from the interviews that we've done so far that.
Matthew J Countryman: could be like.
Matthew J Countryman: To highlight the links in the blog to specific oral histories or specific document.
Matthew J Countryman: traits that we have preserved or or other other things so.
Matthew J Countryman: Great well if that's something that I went up well i'll come back to some other things I have to say.
Matthew J Countryman: Part of some reflections of other things that have been happening, let me get um so I don't know if other people have updates, they want to offer um.
Matthew J Countryman: Before I sort of go go over a couple things that i've I have ready so Stephen.
Stephen M Ward: I do have one thanks.
Matthew J Countryman: guys.
um.
Stephen M Ward: I don't know if this is already mentioned, but the we change the date for my class presentations from Wednesday to Thursday so it's now a week from yesterday Thursday April 22.
Stephen M Ward: At 7pm.
Okay.
Stephen M Ward: And that's I saw your message in a while ago sorry I saw a little blurb description righteous after the meeting.
Elizabeth James: Sure, will Helens putting together the flyer for us.
Elizabeth James: created last night I came up with a very little blurb.
But.
Helen Garbarino: To see that I sent.
Helen Garbarino: A second ago.
Elizabeth James: Oh okay so.
Helen Garbarino: yeah if you want to add to it at all just let me know I can.
Stephen M Ward: Okay perfect, thank you very much.
Elizabeth James: yeah, of course, we and then we'll send it out this afternoon, so people will have it for the weekend, because I know the folks tend to plan their next week, while they're looking at weekend so.
Stephen M Ward: yeah i've been slow with this, so I thank you for your your.
Elizabeth James: own P worries.
Elizabeth James: me a.
Matthew J Countryman: pitch for those of us who can't attend to attend.
Matthew J Countryman: You know there's a lots of reasons but, but the reasons I just mentioned are one to.
Matthew J Countryman: keep our eyes, you know our sense of what is there something one of these projects that with additional work could go on the website.
Matthew J Countryman: So just.
Matthew J Countryman: But also, even if it's not the project itself but it's the ideas and the project inspire something we should be doing on the website that's The other reason so having as many eyes and ears At that session I think would be great as well, and I mean the third reason.
Matthew J Countryman: And we can talk, maybe we can debrief This too is to think about the model for undergraduate classes to engage the website and so for all three reasons, it would be great if.
Matthew J Countryman: As many of you who could attend these part we could do some.
Stephen M Ward: follow that up with a few quick points of information about.
Stephen M Ward: So they asked me how long it should be, and I said it's up to us up to you, and so they picked an hour.
Stephen M Ward: And I told him that this is not, this is a formal like each of you make the presentation, or rather 11 students and.
Stephen M Ward: I don't know if it'd be time for everyone to do something, plus some are better than others, not what those that have more space, frankly, so I encourage them to think about.
Stephen M Ward: A piece of what they've done and Sarah about that, and so I told him it's not just about sharing what you did, but just as important is why you chose what you did, and what you got out of it so.
Stephen M Ward: And they're going to put together a collective Google slides and so each of them will have some slides so they're going to talk to so won't just be a student giving a presentation.
Stephen M Ward: that I hope will lend itself to what you just said math in terms of identifying what type of things can go to the website or diff ways of engaging students with the website.
Great.
Matthew J Countryman: Full, of course, the flyer and the time zone on the link go ahead breath.
Elizabeth James: hold the only other thing I can think of other than stephen's classes presentation is next Monday, will be interviewing Tara.
Elizabeth James: Ashley and I will be interviewing ginny and Andre so we've prepared a group of questions and i'll be sure to share those with everybody I forgot to do that there's love been going on, so i'll be sure to do that in case you all want to just take a peek and see if we've covered, you know.
Elizabeth James: The ground that you'd like us to with them they're both really excited.
Matthew J Countryman: and remind us remind me anyway, of the of their.
Matthew J Countryman: Specific relationship to DAS and time period.
Elizabeth James: They both third alumni they both graduated in 2006 they both were.
Elizabeth James: Jeunesse on our 50th anniversary board Andre is.
Elizabeth James: He was an employee, as well as a student in the department and.
Elizabeth James: And they both had study abroad experiences with death so it's kind of like a and they both were they were at the same time speaker and vice speaker a black student Union during this era when they were here on campus so their connection with them.
Like.
Elizabeth James: With the department, as well as the campus community, and you know some of the things they did in their extracurricular you know well, I guess you wouldn't count study abroad is extra or regular, but you know some of their connections to the department outside of just the regular classes.
Right.
Matthew J Countryman: So let me, let me give you my updates.
Matthew J Countryman: and the first is to simply say that.
Matthew J Countryman: We are.
Matthew J Countryman: Waiting I have been started the conversation about summer.
Matthew J Countryman: will actually keep working in the summer, but in terms of.
Matthew J Countryman: Being able to compensate people for their time we're we're working on the aspects of that and.
Matthew J Countryman: it's not an appropriate competition well we'll be in touch individually about specifics of that and how that will work.
Matthew J Countryman: And so, if I don't get to you, and it can get to me that would be that'd be awesome too so know that we're thinking about that um.
Matthew J Countryman: I did meet with both re silverman and comfort in towson this week about various projects, and so I wanted to update you on those.
Matthew J Countryman: And then my.
Matthew J Countryman: Other thing to tell you, just when we were because I want to reflect on a little bit i've been.
Matthew J Countryman: This week, on top of everything else i'm on external review committee at the University of Texas, for their FM program and had a very fascinating hour this morning with their career public programs for their for their art galleries that are affiliated with the.
Matthew J Countryman: FM department there, and so I had some thoughts from that that I wanted to share to um.
Matthew J Countryman: and actually that's where the blog idea came from.
Matthew J Countryman: They just they there they you know, just as we get a website for the because of the pandemic they've created a blog and that's.
Matthew J Countryman: I you could just see what it makes possible and the range of kinds of people thinks, you know.
Matthew J Countryman: Somebody who's very involved can do a blog but someone who's just not involved at all, but doing interesting work that you want to represent could also do a blog so that was the thing that I saw there um.
Matthew J Countryman: With comfort um so she used and was clear that she was able to use the digitization of the materials quite effectively and she really has developed a.
Matthew J Countryman: very thoughtful overview of our of all of the holdings that we have that are you know.
Matthew J Countryman: That have been digitized.
Matthew J Countryman: You know that meant there was a little bit of confusion with we worked out about what aspects, she was responding to and thinking through.
Matthew J Countryman: And I was able to share with her a little bit more than I knew about dependent collection, so we talked about that a fair amount she is going to write up.
Matthew J Countryman: her observations and her what she learned from going through those collections, there were few of the items have I guess descriptions that she was able to access that were were delivered in that.
Matthew J Countryman: You know she's so clarity on the timeline that this is 1888 to 95 is the period in which the.
Matthew J Countryman: Reverend and Mrs Bennett were in working out of missionary stations, but there's real you know their recordings of stuff naked very unclear, and you know whether we're talking about South Africa what they're talking about Botswana, which which actual.
Matthew J Countryman: ethnic community they're working in those kinds of things are just and probably you're probably not going to be well we'll figure those things out um.
Matthew J Countryman: On the other hand, you know pretty clear that, given that we've really not exhibited this material we've really just simply held it, there are some of the ethical questions that we were first uncertain about less pressing um.
Matthew J Countryman: So she's going to provide us with that with that kind of listing of what she's come up with and her assessments of it, there is a book.
Matthew J Countryman: that she can see the cover up but not inside that may have additional information on the holdings um so at some point.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm hoping her but, but that we left that unresolved when you know we when we can get access to the to the actual collection.
Matthew J Countryman: And when she has time or when someone else has time that book would be the first place to go to try to see if we can.
Matthew J Countryman: get some additional information.
Matthew J Countryman: I still.
Matthew J Countryman: She she is in the middle of prelims and then Semester and.
Matthew J Countryman: So she's not gonna we didn't agree on any next steps beyond her simply sharing with us this this documentation she's done.
Matthew J Countryman: she's going to clearly think about.
Matthew J Countryman: Whether or not.
Matthew J Countryman: there's a project she'd be interested in, and if there is she'll proposal, but at this point that's where that stands.
Matthew J Countryman: i'm hoping that if choses you know at a minimum she'd be doing what she'd be willing to do a block that would just record that experience for us but we'll see where that stands.
Matthew J Countryman: um.
Matthew J Countryman: I also had a long conversation with Ray silverman.
Matthew J Countryman: he's very enthusiastic.
Matthew J Countryman: About i'm doing a kind of retrospective on.
Matthew J Countryman: His the period in which he was involved in the gallery and the catalogs and exhibits they put on.
Matthew J Countryman: In addition to whatever is in your possession beth he said he has thousands of photos of not only the exhibit and the artists, but the installation process things like that.
Matthew J Countryman: He.
Elizabeth James: taught to be invaluable because I don't have I just have personal photos I took.
Elizabeth James: Right and he was taking all those photos and Robin sadly when she left you know there wasn't any there may be some in the S drive, but he was the keeper of all of that.
Elizabeth James: So.
Matthew J Countryman: They are in the last drive as.
Matthew J Countryman: Well, so.
Okay.
Matthew J Countryman: He he did say that.
Matthew J Countryman: That he would be his his preference and I think when i've been talking about this, and where we have an idea of how to do it would be would be to be able to work with a graduate student.
Matthew J Countryman: In the summer to do this project for the website, and so I have yet to report back to that, I think that we can manage that.
Matthew J Countryman: And i'll be i'll be going back to him to talk about that and about what ideas, if any, he has about who that might be, or whether this is something that we might.
Matthew J Countryman: I just thought for you on that, I don't know I haven't reported back to him, but nowhere, nor do I have a clear sense of the timing, whether we're talking summer or maybe later on, based on.
Elizabeth James: So he.
Matthew J Countryman: he's a busy retired of marriage.
Elizabeth James: Is it, so we won't be the person that Kirsten is.
Matthew J Countryman: pretty clear, well, from my perspective that, given the museum studies projects willingness to engage a project that would be both longer in scope chronologically right and could include an actual installation in the gallery.
Matthew J Countryman: That I I would rather see these as separate projects.
Okay.
Matthew J Countryman: And i've shared with that with with Ray and raised quite I think we will be very cooperative.
Matthew J Countryman: With museum studies project, and so there may be no I would expect, there would be some aspect of his work, that would be a hit his period that we represented in the museum studies project.
Matthew J Countryman: But to me they're two separate things right, one is a broader retrospective and one is a very is it more of a.
Matthew J Countryman: mean it's even more of a documentation right killer period.
Matthew J Countryman: Is catalogs that we can get he's very excited about the idea, for example, of creating online versions of the books on the catalogs.
Matthew J Countryman: That maybe that would be completely comprehensive.
Elizabeth James: Excellent.
Matthew J Countryman: I don't.
Matthew J Countryman: I think, and since since essentially i'm you know when I have an idea of how we can fight provide the necessary resources for raise project and vm star he's prepared to fund their own project.
Matthew J Countryman: there's no reason not to do both so that's that's what i'm thinking i'm now I should say, one of the things that was confusing in my conversation with comfort is she's in the museum studies program and she.
Matthew J Countryman: was approached as whether she wanted to apply.
Matthew J Countryman: To work with Kirsten on this other thing, and she did and so she she needs some understanding what the difference difference between the two things were.
Matthew J Countryman: And that was easy because they're completely different in my mind so so whether she's going to apply for that or not she was uncertain so obviously be amazing if she took on that project but.
Matthew J Countryman: At this point, that's not that's not clear.
Matthew J Countryman: So I will circle back two years to to to.
Matthew J Countryman: To see you know with with the word that stands at this point um although you know frankly.
Matthew J Countryman: I mean worst case scenario, some reason it's.
Matthew J Countryman: The timeline proof sign they can't find someone to do it this summer project will be here next summer next summer so we'll just just say to them, we want to do just when you're ready so um.
Matthew J Countryman: So that's that's the updates there um.
Matthew J Countryman: I would just encourage everybody and i'm, and I say this in particular to you best, but to everybody so check out this it's called the.
Matthew J Countryman: I get the name i'll put it i'll get the name and put in the chat in a second but it's the art galleries of the black studies program or something it at.
Matthew J Countryman: ut Austin and they have actually two galleries.
Matthew J Countryman: One is quite large one is probably sounds like it's more comfortable to art desk gallery which they call the idea lab.
Matthew J Countryman: and
Matthew J Countryman: One of the things it was clear as they're doing is they have money to support students who want to cure rate.
Matthew J Countryman: um and so that was.
Wayne High: really impressive to.
Matthew J Countryman: me that they so they essentially.
Matthew J Countryman: Students can apply to them to cure rate.
Matthew J Countryman: An exhibit.
Matthew J Countryman: And they have a heavy emphasis on local artists, and I mean austin's a bigger city and it's a gap there's differences, obviously, but.
Matthew J Countryman: There was just some impressive work that they were doing it was also there wasn't just art exhibition boo boo professional development right career development for for graduate students, and so I was very, very impressed with with that.
Matthew J Countryman: And so i'll say i'll pick up the link for that, but that's I was just you know and again it just made me think about how we have obviously this.
Matthew J Countryman: Not only will we have but what's at Puma right i'm a lot, you know that we should we should be thinking about what are the, what are the not just exhibition but but develop professional development opportunities that we might might build from that so I was very impressed.
Elizabeth James: That sounds amazing I know that was something that was a part of the tension between our faculty and.
Elizabeth James: raise vision, I know Martha had wanted to hold an exhibit in the gallery, and later with Taya, and the one that we held about the history of Detroit.
Elizabeth James: Using the bentley's collection that Stephen, and I mean URL had found during his tenure, when he was here, so you know I mean it's it's just the potential is is enormous it's just figuring out how and how to do this, you know.
Matthew J Countryman: Well, I may have clearly resources, a level of resource is that I mean that is essentially what Ray was asking for and was the.
Matthew J Countryman: Right so.
Matthew J Countryman: You have.
Matthew J Countryman: The resources to have a permanent staff person they're about to expand to a second one.
Matthew J Countryman: they're actually and they're going to do, and this is a good way beyond where we are where we are now but.
Matthew J Countryman: they've actually just gotten funding for a postdoc so one of their graduates will have a two year postdoc as as true as head of curation for them for their gallery so that's a tremendous.
Matthew J Countryman: thing that they can do so we're not there yet, but I just thought there were some interesting possibilities that we went we could look at so.
Matthew J Countryman: I should say, there are other parts of their program that we're they're way behind us on so it was an interesting tidbit been an interesting mix.
Matthew J Countryman: Of all those things so.
um.
Matthew J Countryman: The other thing that I wanted to bring up so a few things that came out of this one is Ray seem to think that there is.
Matthew J Countryman: That somebody did an interview with that was recorded I wasn't sure whether was just oral or video with with Professor lockhart that we should have somewhere does anybody know anything about this.
Helen Garbarino: did not find that in the collection.
Elizabeth James: You mean in terms of.
Elizabeth James: I know he's been recorded for the history makers, you know that to blog series and.
Matthew J Countryman: Maybe that's what he's referring to if he didn't say that, but that.
Elizabeth James: And I have one really interesting thing that came up this week, when I met with Lisa board Christophe and.
Elizabeth James: rosie about the multiplicity of exhibits that they're bringing up that's going to really connect asked to oma there's they've got four exhibits all the way up through next year, including a Romero bearden exhibit I mean it's just all of this.
Elizabeth James: blackness suddenly.
Elizabeth James: disappearing over and over there it's just.
Elizabeth James: blowing my mind as a history of arts do with nothing and uber to look at when I was here, you know it's just like night and day but.
Elizabeth James: they're going to have three exhibits in the fall that will be connecting to us but they're actually going to be lisa's going to offer to have work with me one of her.
Elizabeth James: Work studies who's going to help me work on documenting the work of Professor locker because when I did that huge Stephen you probably remember when we had the.
Elizabeth James: The tribute to Professor lockhart I did a slideshow of all of his murals across the state.
Elizabeth James: Everybody that goes, who is now a harsh in history, Professor who's going to be teaching a course on art in Detroit is interested in the murals of Detroit.
Elizabeth James: And so I told her about this wealth of material on Professor lockhart who's one of the artists that she's interested in looking at in the city.
Elizabeth James: It was just crazy how all of this synergies coming together around these things but i'm going to have that young man Jacob work with me on documenting.
Elizabeth James: The ones that I found when we traveled the state wings gracious and permitted me to have the gentleman who Ray had used for his documentation of the gallery exhibits to go with me to all these places around Ann arbor and.
Elizabeth James: Detroit and other places to take these photos so we've got a really great.
Elizabeth James: repository of his murals in public places, that we can build off of since they're going to have one of his pieces then Laura de becker's exhibit that's going to be in the fall.
Elizabeth James: Reopening so we'll finally have one, a professor lock arts pieces in Alma so which.
Elizabeth James: was a big thing to him that you know he had always dreamed of having happen, so I think it's all coming together in an interesting way, but you saying that about Ray and interview, I know that I have access to one of them I don't know if that's the one he's referring to, though.
Matthew J Countryman: Your access to one of to interview.
Matthew J Countryman: Is it so, is it a is it a just an audio interview or.
Elizabeth James: it's a video it's he's was interviewed Dr Moody was interviewed they were, it was a series called the history makers.
Matthew J Countryman: Oh, so this is all the history makers okay by the history makers because that's because we have access that's where we've also gotten the footage of.
Stephen M Ward: So the car, sir.
Matthew J Countryman: Yes, Sir cost.
Elizabeth James: But but.
Matthew J Countryman: We didn't have any.
Matthew J Countryman: We wanted to go to them to permission to use that material and we just because of the pandemic, they were not responsive, we need to try, that I think that's one of my on my list for next month, so.
Matthew J Countryman: Stephen.
Stephen M Ward: Mass like five follow up questions.
Stephen M Ward: Go reverse order so for the suitor Casa history makers video taped interview he said, we do have it we don't have permission to use it.
Matthew J Countryman: So we've been able yeah we by purchasing a membership were able to debt to I think download target remind me to here's been.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Say we've had trouble downloading the the footage.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: There we like we have a sense of which clips who went to interview them and we can, and all that.
Matthew J Countryman: We were able to access them online and then identified and we haven't been able to do so that's figure out for that.
Matthew J Countryman: For the media.
Stephen M Ward: May I, like technically, may I, and just logistically or was free your facts of May I look at those my hat back so let's not use them for anything but just to like research was so Are they in the drug.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Turkey as Stephen I can send you the login details that we have for our history makers membership and that way you can look at them.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay, and also say the transcripts.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: very much like I said we want, we have, we also have a transcript that's awesome.
Stephen M Ward: that's great okay transcript they have they do have the.
Matthew J Countryman: guts okay.
Stephen M Ward: Now for the other follow ups quickly.
Stephen M Ward: beth I recall that the bentley was in conversation with with john's wife right or some some about his material someone's asked how that factors into this i'm also the Rebecca is that Rebecca Madre who's teaching the class.
Elizabeth James: hold on Let me pick in my email right quick.
Elizabeth James: Okay, I think it sooner.
Stephen M Ward: or Syria.
Stephen M Ward: Syria Syria.
Stephen M Ward: Another name I don't know if I know her base but she's teaching a class on our murals in Detroit you say.
Elizabeth James: Yes, i'll forward it to you.
Elizabeth James: Okay um because it was a.
Matthew J Countryman: barrier right, I mean that's probably who, that is.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah she's had really.
Elizabeth James: No, yes, she wants to meet with me because she didn't know that I guess that I knew what I knew and so now she's trying to find out more about.
Elizabeth James: Yet her name's earlier and it's called made in Detroit it's the history of the visual arts and architecture.
Matthew J Countryman: Of course for a while i've actually spoken to it once.
Elizabeth James: hey.
Elizabeth James: super enthusiastic.
Matthew J Countryman: about getting help.
Elizabeth James: We.
Stephen M Ward: need help.
Matthew J Countryman: I wouldn't know.
Stephen M Ward: I wouldn't know.
Stephen M Ward: It.
Elizabeth James: looks like there's a real need for her to be in touch with those who were artists during that era, sadly we've lost Charles mcgee but you know I mean.
Elizabeth James: Some of the things she's chronicling the murals right after the rebellion that will the murals that you know we have on all the hair beauty supply shops these the the what I call the grassroots murals of the city she had little knowledge of like the low rider.
Elizabeth James: murals will come out every single the mile you know it was just like I started telling her places where she could find them and that I had worked with Dennis in the rocky when he did his first book that was the first known book about art in public places.
Elizabeth James: in Detroit, but when I worked at the da he had the desk next to mine, so it was like she got really excited because she didn't know you know well, of course, that's old school but also.
Elizabeth James: He was the first person writing about art in Detroit public places, so I have that book, so I told her you know that's something she needs to get Ahold of because he was chronicling things that now there is no longer with us.
Stephen M Ward: Okay well good kimmy posted on that please and then.
Elizabeth James: mm hmm.
Stephen M Ward: Because that's this fall right so petitioner.
Stephen M Ward: So I didn't know we have to use a shooting for a while, I think I knew like no more.
Matthew J Countryman: questions on Detroit in history of art, for me, I don't know how what she does every year or not, but.
Matthew J Countryman: she's done it before.
Stephen M Ward: I.
Matthew J Countryman: Think, at least.
Stephen M Ward: Okay, the last.
Stephen M Ward: last thing, as you said that boom is going to have a rohmer bearden exhibit in the fall as well.
Elizabeth James: yeah I can quickly just tell you the three that they went over with me hold on, let me just grab my notes from this week there's going to be.
Elizabeth James: i'm sorry i'm just trying to get to that page where they were going over with me there the different exhibits there's one that oversees done called unsettling histories that talks about like how the recreate patriot nation of the.
Elizabeth James: pieces like they are doing with the British Museum and those types of issues there is going to also the one that is dealing with.
Elizabeth James: The one where they're totally reopening the curtis collection, they want to do an exhibit of the curtis collection, which is going to come later, once they get you know some sense of what they're up to with that and then.
Elizabeth James: there's a third one.
Elizabeth James: Oh, my goodness, you know what i'll send them to you i'll send you off.
Elizabeth James: Because they want to be in closer contact with us because they've got so many that are going to be coming up.
Elizabeth James: And I was really I was so pleased Oh, here they are the the curtis collection the diasporic collection is going to reopen in the fall unsettling histories is opening in the fall and then the romar bearden is going to open in February of 2022 and run through May.
Okay, thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: Actually that's a great segue so one of the things that i'm Ray encouraged me to move towards the top of our list would be an interview with Dr curtis.
Matthew J Countryman: And, and so, and I talked about this and Wayne wanted me to make sure to say it into check with you beth whether you thought, whether you were you would share the view that he would be excited by that possible.
Elizabeth James: I think so he's so, and this is the time of year when he's back in Michigan he lives in Mexico from March and then he comes back to Michigan though I don't know, since it.
Elizabeth James: was not the best.
Matthew J Countryman: way to do it.
Elizabeth James: At a State dinner with this is no government but um but yeah, so I think I totally agree and.
Elizabeth James: I mean the warm feelings, he has he the last time I spoke to him, he was like how's that young man cuz he was still talking about you, Stephen when you had done, you know the tribute to him at graduation, he was a pose that fine young man who.
Matthew J Countryman: All this young black Professor.
Stephen M Ward: So you.
Helen Garbarino: Get that too much anymore.
Elizabeth James: Well, compared to what he's going to be 97.
Helen Garbarino: So young.
Helen Garbarino: actor so surprised how quick that man can walk he was really not works everywhere.
Elizabeth James: Every and yeah cuz he just had a piece going to have a birthday April 24.
Elizabeth James: So agreed to I gotta remember but.
Helen Garbarino: I have pictures of the kids.
From the choir.
Matthew J Countryman: So let's put him at the top of the list for the summer, along with Ross and shaffer's.
Matthew J Countryman: So obviously not me i'm not able to think about anything, right now, until we get to the Semester, but but to me let's work on getting those at the top of our list.
Elizabeth James: Well they'll all be three alumni.
Matthew J Countryman: Of you mm hmm.
wow.
Matthew J Countryman: Well that's I think all the things I had them.
Matthew J Countryman: Oh i'm just actually again not I don't know if it doesn't need to be quite the top of list, but, as I did go to the session from the mission comma organizers.
Matthew J Countryman: which was very interesting, but I thought.
Matthew J Countryman: You know that there were that the.
Matthew J Countryman: African American Muslims who were in the conversation I would love for us to be able to interview them, I thought they were very good and very interesting.
And so.
Elizabeth James: They were DAS majors.
Riley.
Elizabeth James: mulligan Sabrina for sure.
Matthew J Countryman: And I thought, well, I thought the session was interesting.
Matthew J Countryman: It wouldn't be a substitute for interviewing interviews with them.
Matthew J Countryman: We want to ask you have different so that's so I.
Matthew J Countryman: Definitely keep them on the list as well.
Elizabeth James: yeah when we decompress afterwards.
Elizabeth James: I was kind of.
Elizabeth James: surprised at.
Elizabeth James: How some of our younger.
Elizabeth James: panelists kind of.
Elizabeth James: took over and started speaking about what they were doing when I thought the intent was to talk about the Tower takeover so it was a little weird there for a while, but afterwards, when we decompress the conversation with so rich and.
Elizabeth James: So meaningful that.
Elizabeth James: I felt kind of badly that everybody gone and you don't was like wow now it's really good so yeah I agree, I totally agree.
Matthew J Countryman: Right well anything else, someone folks need to bring up or want to bring up.
Helen Garbarino: No, but I did put the flint murals if anyone goes.
Helen Garbarino: wonderous I love them, so if you get a chance and you're in the area definitely we're seeing.
Matthew J Countryman: beth and we can you both hang on a second i'm.
Matthew J Countryman: And i'm gonna.
Matthew J Countryman: Let everybody else go.
Matthew J Countryman: Thank you.
Matthew J Countryman: Have a great weekend.
Ashley Marie Hayes: You too.
Ashley Marie Hayes: Good.
Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Happy everyone take care.
Elizabeth James: bye bye.
Arielle Chen: Oh, I hope that the recording is saving my cloud because I didn't I didn't realize that I would no longer have a recording access when I made when hope co hosts.
Arielle Chen: hope you have a good weekend everybody.
Matthew J Countryman: bye yo.
Wayne High: yo I can't seem to stop it either.
Elizabeth James: Oh, I think she's gone and now you've lost your head.
Matthew J Countryman: Now she's back.
Elizabeth James: Oh now she's back.
Matthew J Countryman: yeah would be good to stop the recording before I asked the question I want to ask so.
Arielle Chen: sorry about that did you believe anyway.
Wayne High: yeah what you please stop the recording.