WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.149 --> 00:00:00.989 Elizabeth James: course we get. 2 00:00:02.280 --> 00:00:05.850 Elizabeth James: We have to get Professor shaffer's is to Ghana. 3 00:00:06.450 --> 00:00:08.610 Elizabeth James: That is yet i'm. 4 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:13.769 Elizabeth James: i'm thinking of a gustin holding an archaeological one we had. 5 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:16.560 Wayne High: To do them also didn't meet. 6 00:00:16.949 --> 00:00:27.870 Elizabeth James: You sear Henry did some South Africa ones for us mamadou juve we have some people who left the university lori hill did South Africa. 7 00:00:27.900 --> 00:00:29.070 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: there's were different, as. 8 00:00:29.070 --> 00:00:33.240 Elizabeth James: Well, from nisha and some were running concurrently with nisha. 9 00:00:33.810 --> 00:00:34.590 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So yeah. 10 00:00:35.010 --> 00:01:00.840 Elizabeth James: You know, and then we have of course neon bora did you know Tanzania, and so I think nate and do we count the study in brod's because I did a couple of in broads to Detroit we helped with New Orleans you know we've had some that were within the country too, though I think in. 11 00:01:00.930 --> 00:01:15.720 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: More vast yeah I have to go some folks either could be intuitive and others who come after me continue adding to it, or it can be, or it can just be a sort of database of stuff for now and it's not yet made you know public. 12 00:01:17.730 --> 00:01:18.090 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: yeah. 13 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:19.500 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: hey messy you know we're just. 14 00:01:19.710 --> 00:01:20.970 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Talking about ideas. 15 00:01:22.410 --> 00:01:23.550 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I was late, so I just. 16 00:01:24.900 --> 00:01:29.730 Wayne High: Thank you for reminding me, we also need to add the money and quasi to that. 17 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:32.370 Wayne High: Right good study abroad. 18 00:01:32.970 --> 00:01:33.630 Elizabeth James: mm hmm. 19 00:01:33.780 --> 00:01:35.070 Wayne High: gotten about those two. 20 00:01:38.490 --> 00:01:38.850 Wayne High: So. 21 00:01:39.660 --> 00:01:44.400 Matthew J Countryman: It sounds like we should maybe as a separate thing is construct just literally a list. 22 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.470 Matthew J Countryman: Maybe a logical list. 23 00:01:47.520 --> 00:01:49.050 Matthew J Countryman: or try to reconstruct it. 24 00:01:49.350 --> 00:01:50.730 Matthew J Countryman: Because we probably won't you know. 25 00:01:50.790 --> 00:01:52.050 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Going back listen again. 26 00:01:53.250 --> 00:02:03.030 Elizabeth James: And then that's not even counting all the early ones, you know that I had found in the timeline from the 70s and 80s, the proceeded Barbara robinson's. 27 00:02:03.960 --> 00:02:17.580 Elizabeth James: You know experiences, you know she came in at a certain time but way back, we were that was pretty and I thought it was really impressive that I think it was 1978 around in there. 28 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:18.900 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: We had. 29 00:02:19.140 --> 00:02:20.430 Elizabeth James: Some early study abroad. 30 00:02:23.040 --> 00:02:23.370 So. 31 00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:34.800 Wayne High: This is a great segue to provide an update and that nisha has had an opportunity to look at the material that we have digitized us for and she's put. 32 00:02:36.180 --> 00:02:40.110 Wayne High: Locating and timeframes on it on each one of those so. 33 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:42.210 Wayne High: That should help as well. 34 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:44.610 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: that's great Thank you. 35 00:02:46.650 --> 00:02:52.800 Wayne High: So i'll see what I can do in this current environment to get some of the other products that we have digitized. 36 00:02:54.660 --> 00:03:03.150 Wayne High: not sure just how rapid people would be able to respond, but i'll pull the string we'll see what comes on the end of it. 37 00:03:05.430 --> 00:03:16.320 Elizabeth James: And when I come into the Office for commencement tyra i'll be sure to pull the syllabus from the years that I went with mom to do and lori. 38 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:27.990 Elizabeth James: Thank you and I know we have your sears to because we were helping on the you know from the back end, so we have all the ones that are not nisha to South Africa. 39 00:03:28.410 --> 00:03:28.770 Okay. 40 00:03:30.660 --> 00:03:49.830 Elizabeth James: Because they were just as many you know it's it seems like you know it looks like nisha was you know the the lead and she was amazing, but we also had like I said other ones going that we're at the same time and we're pretty powerful to. 41 00:03:51.270 --> 00:03:57.870 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Can so maybe i'll make like a working list and then i'll ask for your inputs, as I go along beth and Wayne. 42 00:03:59.580 --> 00:04:00.150 Elizabeth James: sounds good. 43 00:04:05.010 --> 00:04:14.340 Wayne High: and other news, by way of an update Arielle and Helen please feel free to chime in if I don't get any of this right. 44 00:04:16.200 --> 00:04:17.400 Wayne High: We were able to. 45 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:20.340 Wayne High: computer's acting up here. 46 00:04:21.450 --> 00:04:26.730 Wayne High: We were able to participate with the research in a. 47 00:04:28.410 --> 00:04:32.370 Wayne High: zoom session, and we have submitted a request for. 48 00:04:33.660 --> 00:04:37.080 Wayne High: I think it was 25 terabytes of memory. 49 00:04:38.280 --> 00:04:42.180 Wayne High: And we are also right now engaged in. 50 00:04:43.200 --> 00:04:59.580 Wayne High: A discussion talking about the architecture to access the data we've looked at an RN talks also about do we want to go with a three to one storage model or some variation there up 321 being. 51 00:05:01.890 --> 00:05:05.370 Wayne High: Integrity of the backup one question that we asked was. 52 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:15.150 Wayne High: Where are the backups are they these options are they stored in the same space and, for me, that was a critical question because. 53 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:32.160 Wayne High: There was in one of my previous lives, where we had backups but all the backups were in the same physical location, as the primary so the casualty took out everything so that's one question that they didn't know the answer to, but they were going to look at it. 54 00:05:34.020 --> 00:05:54.990 Wayne High: turbo storage architecture, they are trying to form some people around to help us carry it forward one of the other things that i've done was created a Community group for all of us here with the tag DAS. 55 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:11.940 Wayne High: Historic historical and archival group, so it should be active in the Community directory now and we would be able to use that are others would be able to use that group move. 56 00:06:15.780 --> 00:06:26.730 Wayne High: Through the data database when they want to get to the database, they would need to ask for permission, and this, the group, the members of the group would be visible to everyone so they know who to go to. 57 00:06:27.090 --> 00:06:35.130 Wayne High: ask for access, so they would just send it to the collective and we would get it, we would vet it and i'm working through that lash up with. 58 00:06:36.300 --> 00:06:37.950 Wayne High: Joel Bauer and. 59 00:06:39.030 --> 00:06:43.440 Wayne High: john keels like miss anything real Ellen. 60 00:06:44.760 --> 00:06:51.330 Helen Garbarino: don't think so, those are kind of my big concerns to was that things don't go away after we put this much effort into it. 61 00:06:52.410 --> 00:06:56.340 Helen Garbarino: I think the one other thing wasn't it called deep blue storage in particular. 62 00:06:56.670 --> 00:07:03.960 Helen Garbarino: yeah so it's a high level of deep stores, it takes a long time to access things, but they did, let us know a lot of museums use that. 63 00:07:04.170 --> 00:07:12.450 Helen Garbarino: For items in their collection as really permanent storage so you're not accessing it all the time, but there's always another copy, and I really secure area. 64 00:07:12.810 --> 00:07:23.010 Helen Garbarino: So won't be as good for public facing but that would be what turbo would be for is more of the public facing research component and the backend would be for us to make sure these things never go away. 65 00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:32.550 Arielle Chen: The other thing that's enervated is right now we've been using dropbox in order to be able to embed. 66 00:07:32.910 --> 00:07:41.070 Arielle Chen: audio and video on the website, we are going to continue using that because university isn't moving over and for everyone on this team it's really important that. 67 00:07:41.580 --> 00:07:52.440 Arielle Chen: You and any of your colleagues have created a u of m dropbox account if you go to the link that I just sent you're able to log into your single. 68 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:57.960 Arielle Chen: sign on and that's really important, because as things are put it over anything that you have shared. 69 00:07:58.380 --> 00:08:14.190 Arielle Chen: Through inbox will be ported over to dropbox and the same sharing settings will be there as long as everyone on those files and documents have a dropbox account prior to that transition so for our team. 70 00:08:15.570 --> 00:08:20.970 Arielle Chen: Especially as like the team check changes and new people come in and people phase out. 71 00:08:22.020 --> 00:08:29.220 Arielle Chen: we'll have our dropbox files there and we'll be able to remain there so that we can continue embedding them into the. 72 00:08:29.730 --> 00:08:44.310 Arielle Chen: into the website so if you haven't already please, please, please make sure that you have created your dropbox account through your you have an ID in order to allow for that transition and for us to be able to provide access to anyone who the back end website information. 73 00:08:45.150 --> 00:08:56.610 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So area, just to clarify, is this the dropbox in which, like videos and pictures are located, is it an address dropbox or is it a personal dropbox. 74 00:08:57.660 --> 00:09:08.790 Arielle Chen: weirdly it's a personal but actually now that we have mentioned that he created a community for us i'm going to create a or if anyone else wants to do that, but I can create a group dropbox for us. 75 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:18.150 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: that'd be great great i'm asking also because, to hear and Danny and I are having problems working collaboratively on a premier project and. 76 00:09:18.540 --> 00:09:26.460 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: One of the problems, seems to be that the location of the files has to be the same for all of us, otherwise it won't show up on each of our computers so. 77 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:43.560 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: So if if all of the Media we using was located in the same desk dropbox that meant that we and others who come after us to would be able to you know pick up on the role the role sequences in premiere and editors and use it for other projects. 78 00:09:44.340 --> 00:09:49.410 Arielle Chen: yeah and it wouldn't be converted in the way that sometimes perfect converted in Google drive. 79 00:09:50.580 --> 00:09:51.060 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Great. 80 00:09:51.360 --> 00:10:05.280 Arielle Chen: And then, as people come in and other people are called on to work on the website to embed audio video, they will be able to do it with the links coming through dropbox that's much easier than trying to pathway through Google drive. 81 00:10:09.900 --> 00:10:11.160 Arielle Chen: After this meeting i'll set up that. 82 00:10:13.170 --> 00:10:13.500 Arielle Chen: Okay. 83 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:14.940 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: awesome Thank you. 84 00:10:21.330 --> 00:10:24.000 Matthew J Countryman: Okay, so so it sounds like things are proceeding. 85 00:10:24.270 --> 00:10:24.660 Wayne High: Do. 86 00:10:25.140 --> 00:10:29.940 Matthew J Countryman: I didn't hear and correct me if i'm wrong, I need for a specific decision at this moment is that. 87 00:10:30.990 --> 00:10:31.560 Matthew J Countryman: Is that right. 88 00:10:33.450 --> 00:10:38.190 Wayne High: There isn't a need for a specific decision at this point because. 89 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:48.720 Wayne High: One of the things that we found out is that our memory requests can move up or down shrink or expand as we need to as much as we're willing to pay for. 90 00:10:49.380 --> 00:11:08.280 Wayne High: I will have a conversation with Joe about the pricing structure, because the prices that he quoted seem to be double what I saw when I went to sign up for it so i'm looking for that discount to help gas as money go a little further okay. 91 00:11:13.890 --> 00:11:18.090 Matthew J Countryman: So who else, I have a few updates, but let me see who else does um. 92 00:11:19.770 --> 00:11:25.110 Matthew J Countryman: we've already had the conversation we finished in our we finish with a study abroad, competition, we need to have. 93 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:26.730 Matthew J Countryman: um. 94 00:11:27.900 --> 00:11:28.290 Matthew J Countryman: sounds like. 95 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:33.360 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: pretty much I think yeah Matthew I was just conveying to the others that. 96 00:11:34.380 --> 00:11:48.510 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I don't sort of have a definite like product in mind for the end of this term for the study abroad work, I was telling them I had this idea about an interactive map but but Bethan when we're pointing out, and I think, quite rightly, that and. 97 00:11:49.650 --> 00:12:04.260 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: I would only have like the tip of the iceberg, if I started putting information onto that map at the moment, and maybe that would help get some people irritated if they notice that their study abroad programs are not included on that so wary of of doing that yet, but. 98 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:10.980 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: For now, I mean have a report that i'm working on, as per your your request and. 99 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:17.820 Matthew J Countryman: So, actually, let me mean that's actually one of the issues that I wanted to bring up with it i'm wondering. 100 00:12:18.780 --> 00:12:28.170 Matthew J Countryman: If we need a new section to the website that would be that would call a blog That would be a place where. 101 00:12:29.130 --> 00:12:40.710 Matthew J Countryman: um well you know, for example, that you know there's just a piece of Kelly asked you, if the African city Center that i've never managed to get that could go there, but so could kind of works in progress where it's an opportunity. 102 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.730 Matthew J Countryman: For Grad students who've been working on a project. 103 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:46.800 Matthew J Countryman: To. 104 00:12:49.290 --> 00:12:58.350 Matthew J Countryman: You know, to to reflect on what they've achieved, you know where they learn from it and to and what they you know what insights they have, but to do it in a way that acknowledges it's not it's a work in progress. 105 00:12:58.890 --> 00:13:02.940 Matthew J Countryman: And you know it is that sense of public facing public scholarship publication. 106 00:13:03.450 --> 00:13:16.110 Matthew J Countryman: right on a on an identifiable blog so for Grad students in undergraduates Franklin so I was thinking that we could create that I mean, I have a couple other things, I would point in that direction so that's one thing that I wanted to raise today as a. 107 00:13:16.710 --> 00:13:17.790 Matthew J Countryman: As a possibility. 108 00:13:18.930 --> 00:13:28.590 Matthew J Countryman: And you know it's a way in which, particularly when people done important work that we really need to preserve but it's not yet ready to be an exhibit or or something like that. 109 00:13:29.730 --> 00:13:30.540 Matthew J Countryman: That it could be. 110 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.450 Matthew J Countryman: Put in so that that's that's one of the things I wanted to propose today. 111 00:13:40.290 --> 00:13:42.240 Matthew J Countryman: And it's it sounds like would be perfect, for the work you've done. 112 00:13:44.400 --> 00:13:48.870 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: It would be great yeah because there are things emerging from the interviews that we've done so far that. 113 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:50.100 Matthew J Countryman: could be like. 114 00:13:50.130 --> 00:13:56.010 Matthew J Countryman: To highlight the links in the blog to specific oral histories or specific document. 115 00:13:56.040 --> 00:14:00.480 Matthew J Countryman: traits that we have preserved or or other other things so. 116 00:14:10.140 --> 00:14:15.660 Matthew J Countryman: Great well if that's something that I went up well i'll come back to some other things I have to say. 117 00:14:16.830 --> 00:14:26.250 Matthew J Countryman: Part of some reflections of other things that have been happening, let me get um so I don't know if other people have updates, they want to offer um. 118 00:14:27.810 --> 00:14:33.780 Matthew J Countryman: Before I sort of go go over a couple things that i've I have ready so Stephen. 119 00:14:34.530 --> 00:14:35.940 Stephen M Ward: I do have one thanks. 120 00:14:37.530 --> 00:14:37.770 Matthew J Countryman: guys. 121 00:14:37.800 --> 00:14:38.130 um. 122 00:14:39.540 --> 00:14:55.020 Stephen M Ward: I don't know if this is already mentioned, but the we change the date for my class presentations from Wednesday to Thursday so it's now a week from yesterday Thursday April 22. 123 00:14:56.910 --> 00:14:58.380 Stephen M Ward: At 7pm. 124 00:14:58.890 --> 00:14:59.250 Okay. 125 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:07.170 Stephen M Ward: And that's I saw your message in a while ago sorry I saw a little blurb description righteous after the meeting. 126 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:11.310 Elizabeth James: Sure, will Helens putting together the flyer for us. 127 00:15:12.870 --> 00:15:17.670 Elizabeth James: created last night I came up with a very little blurb. 128 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:18.330 But. 129 00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:21.630 Helen Garbarino: To see that I sent. 130 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:22.950 Helen Garbarino: A second ago. 131 00:15:24.150 --> 00:15:25.980 Elizabeth James: Oh okay so. 132 00:15:26.040 --> 00:15:28.620 Helen Garbarino: yeah if you want to add to it at all just let me know I can. 133 00:15:28.620 --> 00:15:30.300 Stephen M Ward: Okay perfect, thank you very much. 134 00:15:31.770 --> 00:15:43.710 Elizabeth James: yeah, of course, we and then we'll send it out this afternoon, so people will have it for the weekend, because I know the folks tend to plan their next week, while they're looking at weekend so. 135 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:48.180 Stephen M Ward: yeah i've been slow with this, so I thank you for your your. 136 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.710 Elizabeth James: own P worries. 137 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:54.630 Elizabeth James: me a. 138 00:15:56.310 --> 00:15:59.010 Matthew J Countryman: pitch for those of us who can't attend to attend. 139 00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:05.730 Matthew J Countryman: You know there's a lots of reasons but, but the reasons I just mentioned are one to. 140 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:13.980 Matthew J Countryman: keep our eyes, you know our sense of what is there something one of these projects that with additional work could go on the website. 141 00:16:15.420 --> 00:16:15.990 Matthew J Countryman: So just. 142 00:16:17.430 --> 00:16:32.070 Matthew J Countryman: But also, even if it's not the project itself but it's the ideas and the project inspire something we should be doing on the website that's The other reason so having as many eyes and ears At that session I think would be great as well, and I mean the third reason. 143 00:16:33.090 --> 00:16:44.400 Matthew J Countryman: And we can talk, maybe we can debrief This too is to think about the model for undergraduate classes to engage the website and so for all three reasons, it would be great if. 144 00:16:45.810 --> 00:16:49.110 Matthew J Countryman: As many of you who could attend these part we could do some. 145 00:16:51.060 --> 00:16:54.270 Stephen M Ward: follow that up with a few quick points of information about. 146 00:16:55.350 --> 00:17:00.840 Stephen M Ward: So they asked me how long it should be, and I said it's up to us up to you, and so they picked an hour. 147 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:09.810 Stephen M Ward: And I told him that this is not, this is a formal like each of you make the presentation, or rather 11 students and. 148 00:17:10.470 --> 00:17:18.510 Stephen M Ward: I don't know if it'd be time for everyone to do something, plus some are better than others, not what those that have more space, frankly, so I encourage them to think about. 149 00:17:19.320 --> 00:17:28.860 Stephen M Ward: A piece of what they've done and Sarah about that, and so I told him it's not just about sharing what you did, but just as important is why you chose what you did, and what you got out of it so. 150 00:17:30.090 --> 00:17:39.510 Stephen M Ward: And they're going to put together a collective Google slides and so each of them will have some slides so they're going to talk to so won't just be a student giving a presentation. 151 00:17:41.130 --> 00:17:50.520 Stephen M Ward: that I hope will lend itself to what you just said math in terms of identifying what type of things can go to the website or diff ways of engaging students with the website. 152 00:17:55.530 --> 00:17:55.830 Great. 153 00:17:59.190 --> 00:18:02.460 Matthew J Countryman: Full, of course, the flyer and the time zone on the link go ahead breath. 154 00:18:03.570 --> 00:18:13.890 Elizabeth James: hold the only other thing I can think of other than stephen's classes presentation is next Monday, will be interviewing Tara. 155 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:35.250 Elizabeth James: Ashley and I will be interviewing ginny and Andre so we've prepared a group of questions and i'll be sure to share those with everybody I forgot to do that there's love been going on, so i'll be sure to do that in case you all want to just take a peek and see if we've covered, you know. 156 00:18:36.540 --> 00:18:40.560 Elizabeth James: The ground that you'd like us to with them they're both really excited. 157 00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:45.600 Matthew J Countryman: and remind us remind me anyway, of the of their. 158 00:18:47.670 --> 00:18:50.070 Matthew J Countryman: Specific relationship to DAS and time period. 159 00:18:50.850 --> 00:18:56.910 Elizabeth James: They both third alumni they both graduated in 2006 they both were. 160 00:18:58.080 --> 00:19:02.550 Elizabeth James: Jeunesse on our 50th anniversary board Andre is. 161 00:19:03.660 --> 00:19:09.660 Elizabeth James: He was an employee, as well as a student in the department and. 162 00:19:10.710 --> 00:19:29.310 Elizabeth James: And they both had study abroad experiences with death so it's kind of like a and they both were they were at the same time speaker and vice speaker a black student Union during this era when they were here on campus so their connection with them. 163 00:19:30.690 --> 00:19:31.050 Like. 164 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:49.680 Elizabeth James: With the department, as well as the campus community, and you know some of the things they did in their extracurricular you know well, I guess you wouldn't count study abroad is extra or regular, but you know some of their connections to the department outside of just the regular classes. 165 00:19:54.090 --> 00:19:54.390 Right. 166 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:04.650 Matthew J Countryman: So let me, let me give you my updates. 167 00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:09.660 Matthew J Countryman: and the first is to simply say that. 168 00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:12.450 Matthew J Countryman: We are. 169 00:20:14.070 --> 00:20:18.090 Matthew J Countryman: Waiting I have been started the conversation about summer. 170 00:20:19.590 --> 00:20:22.470 Matthew J Countryman: will actually keep working in the summer, but in terms of. 171 00:20:25.770 --> 00:20:30.120 Matthew J Countryman: Being able to compensate people for their time we're we're working on the aspects of that and. 172 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:37.590 Matthew J Countryman: it's not an appropriate competition well we'll be in touch individually about specifics of that and how that will work. 173 00:20:38.670 --> 00:20:47.640 Matthew J Countryman: And so, if I don't get to you, and it can get to me that would be that'd be awesome too so know that we're thinking about that um. 174 00:20:50.220 --> 00:21:00.120 Matthew J Countryman: I did meet with both re silverman and comfort in towson this week about various projects, and so I wanted to update you on those. 175 00:21:01.620 --> 00:21:02.280 Matthew J Countryman: And then my. 176 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:09.090 Matthew J Countryman: Other thing to tell you, just when we were because I want to reflect on a little bit i've been. 177 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:27.630 Matthew J Countryman: This week, on top of everything else i'm on external review committee at the University of Texas, for their FM program and had a very fascinating hour this morning with their career public programs for their for their art galleries that are affiliated with the. 178 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:35.880 Matthew J Countryman: FM department there, and so I had some thoughts from that that I wanted to share to um. 179 00:21:38.310 --> 00:21:40.080 Matthew J Countryman: and actually that's where the blog idea came from. 180 00:21:42.030 --> 00:21:47.250 Matthew J Countryman: They just they there they you know, just as we get a website for the because of the pandemic they've created a blog and that's. 181 00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:53.850 Matthew J Countryman: I you could just see what it makes possible and the range of kinds of people thinks, you know. 182 00:21:54.810 --> 00:22:03.660 Matthew J Countryman: Somebody who's very involved can do a blog but someone who's just not involved at all, but doing interesting work that you want to represent could also do a blog so that was the thing that I saw there um. 183 00:22:05.790 --> 00:22:20.550 Matthew J Countryman: With comfort um so she used and was clear that she was able to use the digitization of the materials quite effectively and she really has developed a. 184 00:22:21.840 --> 00:22:27.690 Matthew J Countryman: very thoughtful overview of our of all of the holdings that we have that are you know. 185 00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:30.030 Matthew J Countryman: That have been digitized. 186 00:22:32.790 --> 00:22:39.870 Matthew J Countryman: You know that meant there was a little bit of confusion with we worked out about what aspects, she was responding to and thinking through. 187 00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:50.040 Matthew J Countryman: And I was able to share with her a little bit more than I knew about dependent collection, so we talked about that a fair amount she is going to write up. 188 00:22:51.780 --> 00:23:05.130 Matthew J Countryman: her observations and her what she learned from going through those collections, there were few of the items have I guess descriptions that she was able to access that were were delivered in that. 189 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:14.610 Matthew J Countryman: You know she's so clarity on the timeline that this is 1888 to 95 is the period in which the. 190 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:33.540 Matthew J Countryman: Reverend and Mrs Bennett were in working out of missionary stations, but there's real you know their recordings of stuff naked very unclear, and you know whether we're talking about South Africa what they're talking about Botswana, which which actual. 191 00:23:36.300 --> 00:23:44.130 Matthew J Countryman: ethnic community they're working in those kinds of things are just and probably you're probably not going to be well we'll figure those things out um. 192 00:23:45.630 --> 00:23:59.220 Matthew J Countryman: On the other hand, you know pretty clear that, given that we've really not exhibited this material we've really just simply held it, there are some of the ethical questions that we were first uncertain about less pressing um. 193 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:08.340 Matthew J Countryman: So she's going to provide us with that with that kind of listing of what she's come up with and her assessments of it, there is a book. 194 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:19.290 Matthew J Countryman: that she can see the cover up but not inside that may have additional information on the holdings um so at some point. 195 00:24:20.310 --> 00:24:29.010 Matthew J Countryman: i'm hoping her but, but that we left that unresolved when you know we when we can get access to the to the actual collection. 196 00:24:29.370 --> 00:24:33.750 Matthew J Countryman: And when she has time or when someone else has time that book would be the first place to go to try to see if we can. 197 00:24:33.750 --> 00:24:36.240 Matthew J Countryman: get some additional information. 198 00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:40.320 Matthew J Countryman: I still. 199 00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:44.160 Matthew J Countryman: She she is in the middle of prelims and then Semester and. 200 00:24:44.340 --> 00:24:52.500 Matthew J Countryman: So she's not gonna we didn't agree on any next steps beyond her simply sharing with us this this documentation she's done. 201 00:24:54.270 --> 00:24:56.130 Matthew J Countryman: she's going to clearly think about. 202 00:24:57.330 --> 00:24:58.530 Matthew J Countryman: Whether or not. 203 00:24:59.550 --> 00:25:06.030 Matthew J Countryman: there's a project she'd be interested in, and if there is she'll proposal, but at this point that's where that stands. 204 00:25:06.600 --> 00:25:15.630 Matthew J Countryman: i'm hoping that if choses you know at a minimum she'd be doing what she'd be willing to do a block that would just record that experience for us but we'll see where that stands. 205 00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:17.760 Matthew J Countryman: um. 206 00:25:19.110 --> 00:25:21.390 Matthew J Countryman: I also had a long conversation with Ray silverman. 207 00:25:21.450 --> 00:25:23.070 Matthew J Countryman: he's very enthusiastic. 208 00:25:23.580 --> 00:25:28.200 Matthew J Countryman: About i'm doing a kind of retrospective on. 209 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:35.520 Matthew J Countryman: His the period in which he was involved in the gallery and the catalogs and exhibits they put on. 210 00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:47.790 Matthew J Countryman: In addition to whatever is in your possession beth he said he has thousands of photos of not only the exhibit and the artists, but the installation process things like that. 211 00:25:49.860 --> 00:25:50.190 Matthew J Countryman: He. 212 00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:55.200 Elizabeth James: taught to be invaluable because I don't have I just have personal photos I took. 213 00:25:55.470 --> 00:26:07.710 Elizabeth James: Right and he was taking all those photos and Robin sadly when she left you know there wasn't any there may be some in the S drive, but he was the keeper of all of that. 214 00:26:08.730 --> 00:26:08.940 Elizabeth James: So. 215 00:26:09.300 --> 00:26:10.410 Matthew J Countryman: They are in the last drive as. 216 00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:11.340 Matthew J Countryman: Well, so. 217 00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:12.060 Okay. 218 00:26:13.590 --> 00:26:16.410 Matthew J Countryman: He he did say that. 219 00:26:21.750 --> 00:26:32.670 Matthew J Countryman: That he would be his his preference and I think when i've been talking about this, and where we have an idea of how to do it would be would be to be able to work with a graduate student. 220 00:26:35.370 --> 00:26:44.250 Matthew J Countryman: In the summer to do this project for the website, and so I have yet to report back to that, I think that we can manage that. 221 00:26:44.790 --> 00:26:53.040 Matthew J Countryman: And i'll be i'll be going back to him to talk about that and about what ideas, if any, he has about who that might be, or whether this is something that we might. 222 00:26:53.520 --> 00:27:02.010 Matthew J Countryman: I just thought for you on that, I don't know I haven't reported back to him, but nowhere, nor do I have a clear sense of the timing, whether we're talking summer or maybe later on, based on. 223 00:27:02.760 --> 00:27:03.480 Elizabeth James: So he. 224 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.030 Matthew J Countryman: he's a busy retired of marriage. 225 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:12.210 Elizabeth James: Is it, so we won't be the person that Kirsten is. 226 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:26.430 Matthew J Countryman: pretty clear, well, from my perspective that, given the museum studies projects willingness to engage a project that would be both longer in scope chronologically right and could include an actual installation in the gallery. 227 00:27:27.630 --> 00:27:30.990 Matthew J Countryman: That I I would rather see these as separate projects. 228 00:27:31.170 --> 00:27:31.620 Okay. 229 00:27:33.060 --> 00:27:37.890 Matthew J Countryman: And i've shared with that with with Ray and raised quite I think we will be very cooperative. 230 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:51.060 Matthew J Countryman: With museum studies project, and so there may be no I would expect, there would be some aspect of his work, that would be a hit his period that we represented in the museum studies project. 231 00:27:52.620 --> 00:27:58.620 Matthew J Countryman: But to me they're two separate things right, one is a broader retrospective and one is a very is it more of a. 232 00:27:59.970 --> 00:28:03.870 Matthew J Countryman: mean it's even more of a documentation right killer period. 233 00:28:04.860 --> 00:28:12.960 Matthew J Countryman: Is catalogs that we can get he's very excited about the idea, for example, of creating online versions of the books on the catalogs. 234 00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:15.900 Matthew J Countryman: That maybe that would be completely comprehensive. 235 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.300 Elizabeth James: Excellent. 236 00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:19.410 Matthew J Countryman: I don't. 237 00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:30.780 Matthew J Countryman: I think, and since since essentially i'm you know when I have an idea of how we can fight provide the necessary resources for raise project and vm star he's prepared to fund their own project. 238 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:43.500 Matthew J Countryman: there's no reason not to do both so that's that's what i'm thinking i'm now I should say, one of the things that was confusing in my conversation with comfort is she's in the museum studies program and she. 239 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:45.750 Matthew J Countryman: was approached as whether she wanted to apply. 240 00:28:46.110 --> 00:28:52.740 Matthew J Countryman: To work with Kirsten on this other thing, and she did and so she she needs some understanding what the difference difference between the two things were. 241 00:28:53.040 --> 00:29:01.530 Matthew J Countryman: And that was easy because they're completely different in my mind so so whether she's going to apply for that or not she was uncertain so obviously be amazing if she took on that project but. 242 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.040 Matthew J Countryman: At this point, that's not that's not clear. 243 00:29:07.080 --> 00:29:08.970 Matthew J Countryman: So I will circle back two years to to to. 244 00:29:11.850 --> 00:29:17.850 Matthew J Countryman: To see you know with with the word that stands at this point um although you know frankly. 245 00:29:18.090 --> 00:29:20.040 Matthew J Countryman: I mean worst case scenario, some reason it's. 246 00:29:20.370 --> 00:29:29.610 Matthew J Countryman: The timeline proof sign they can't find someone to do it this summer project will be here next summer next summer so we'll just just say to them, we want to do just when you're ready so um. 247 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.410 Matthew J Countryman: So that's that's the updates there um. 248 00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:44.670 Matthew J Countryman: I would just encourage everybody and i'm, and I say this in particular to you best, but to everybody so check out this it's called the. 249 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:52.320 Matthew J Countryman: I get the name i'll put it i'll get the name and put in the chat in a second but it's the art galleries of the black studies program or something it at. 250 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.660 Matthew J Countryman: ut Austin and they have actually two galleries. 251 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:06.840 Matthew J Countryman: One is quite large one is probably sounds like it's more comfortable to art desk gallery which they call the idea lab. 252 00:30:08.790 --> 00:30:09.540 Matthew J Countryman: and 253 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:16.290 Matthew J Countryman: One of the things it was clear as they're doing is they have money to support students who want to cure rate. 254 00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.340 Matthew J Countryman: um and so that was. 255 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.450 Wayne High: really impressive to. 256 00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:22.920 Matthew J Countryman: me that they so they essentially. 257 00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:26.730 Matthew J Countryman: Students can apply to them to cure rate. 258 00:30:30.390 --> 00:30:31.530 Matthew J Countryman: An exhibit. 259 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.910 Matthew J Countryman: And they have a heavy emphasis on local artists, and I mean austin's a bigger city and it's a gap there's differences, obviously, but. 260 00:30:41.010 --> 00:30:54.660 Matthew J Countryman: There was just some impressive work that they were doing it was also there wasn't just art exhibition boo boo professional development right career development for for graduate students, and so I was very, very impressed with with that. 261 00:30:57.120 --> 00:31:04.290 Matthew J Countryman: And so i'll say i'll pick up the link for that, but that's I was just you know and again it just made me think about how we have obviously this. 262 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:22.470 Matthew J Countryman: Not only will we have but what's at Puma right i'm a lot, you know that we should we should be thinking about what are the, what are the not just exhibition but but develop professional development opportunities that we might might build from that so I was very impressed. 263 00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:30.780 Elizabeth James: That sounds amazing I know that was something that was a part of the tension between our faculty and. 264 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:43.080 Elizabeth James: raise vision, I know Martha had wanted to hold an exhibit in the gallery, and later with Taya, and the one that we held about the history of Detroit. 265 00:31:43.470 --> 00:32:03.030 Elizabeth James: Using the bentley's collection that Stephen, and I mean URL had found during his tenure, when he was here, so you know I mean it's it's just the potential is is enormous it's just figuring out how and how to do this, you know. 266 00:32:03.150 --> 00:32:10.740 Matthew J Countryman: Well, I may have clearly resources, a level of resource is that I mean that is essentially what Ray was asking for and was the. 267 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:11.910 Matthew J Countryman: Right so. 268 00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:12.930 Matthew J Countryman: You have. 269 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:17.070 Matthew J Countryman: The resources to have a permanent staff person they're about to expand to a second one. 270 00:32:18.330 --> 00:32:22.230 Matthew J Countryman: they're actually and they're going to do, and this is a good way beyond where we are where we are now but. 271 00:32:23.010 --> 00:32:35.190 Matthew J Countryman: they've actually just gotten funding for a postdoc so one of their graduates will have a two year postdoc as as true as head of curation for them for their gallery so that's a tremendous. 272 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:43.110 Matthew J Countryman: thing that they can do so we're not there yet, but I just thought there were some interesting possibilities that we went we could look at so. 273 00:32:46.860 --> 00:32:53.490 Matthew J Countryman: I should say, there are other parts of their program that we're they're way behind us on so it was an interesting tidbit been an interesting mix. 274 00:32:55.020 --> 00:32:56.340 Matthew J Countryman: Of all those things so. 275 00:32:56.850 --> 00:32:57.510 um. 276 00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:07.830 Matthew J Countryman: The other thing that I wanted to bring up so a few things that came out of this one is Ray seem to think that there is. 277 00:33:10.230 --> 00:33:20.610 Matthew J Countryman: That somebody did an interview with that was recorded I wasn't sure whether was just oral or video with with Professor lockhart that we should have somewhere does anybody know anything about this. 278 00:33:22.110 --> 00:33:23.610 Helen Garbarino: did not find that in the collection. 279 00:33:25.710 --> 00:33:27.060 Elizabeth James: You mean in terms of. 280 00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:33.570 Elizabeth James: I know he's been recorded for the history makers, you know that to blog series and. 281 00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:36.480 Matthew J Countryman: Maybe that's what he's referring to if he didn't say that, but that. 282 00:33:37.710 --> 00:33:45.900 Elizabeth James: And I have one really interesting thing that came up this week, when I met with Lisa board Christophe and. 283 00:33:46.470 --> 00:34:03.780 Elizabeth James: rosie about the multiplicity of exhibits that they're bringing up that's going to really connect asked to oma there's they've got four exhibits all the way up through next year, including a Romero bearden exhibit I mean it's just all of this. 284 00:34:05.010 --> 00:34:06.420 Elizabeth James: blackness suddenly. 285 00:34:06.540 --> 00:34:08.850 Elizabeth James: disappearing over and over there it's just. 286 00:34:08.850 --> 00:34:18.180 Elizabeth James: blowing my mind as a history of arts do with nothing and uber to look at when I was here, you know it's just like night and day but. 287 00:34:18.570 --> 00:34:29.970 Elizabeth James: they're going to have three exhibits in the fall that will be connecting to us but they're actually going to be lisa's going to offer to have work with me one of her. 288 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:44.250 Elizabeth James: Work studies who's going to help me work on documenting the work of Professor locker because when I did that huge Stephen you probably remember when we had the. 289 00:34:45.300 --> 00:34:51.570 Elizabeth James: The tribute to Professor lockhart I did a slideshow of all of his murals across the state. 290 00:34:51.990 --> 00:35:02.790 Elizabeth James: Everybody that goes, who is now a harsh in history, Professor who's going to be teaching a course on art in Detroit is interested in the murals of Detroit. 291 00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:11.190 Elizabeth James: And so I told her about this wealth of material on Professor lockhart who's one of the artists that she's interested in looking at in the city. 292 00:35:11.580 --> 00:35:20.760 Elizabeth James: It was just crazy how all of this synergies coming together around these things but i'm going to have that young man Jacob work with me on documenting. 293 00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:38.070 Elizabeth James: The ones that I found when we traveled the state wings gracious and permitted me to have the gentleman who Ray had used for his documentation of the gallery exhibits to go with me to all these places around Ann arbor and. 294 00:35:39.870 --> 00:35:44.730 Elizabeth James: Detroit and other places to take these photos so we've got a really great. 295 00:35:47.430 --> 00:36:00.000 Elizabeth James: repository of his murals in public places, that we can build off of since they're going to have one of his pieces then Laura de becker's exhibit that's going to be in the fall. 296 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:06.390 Elizabeth James: Reopening so we'll finally have one, a professor lock arts pieces in Alma so which. 297 00:36:07.020 --> 00:36:24.630 Elizabeth James: was a big thing to him that you know he had always dreamed of having happen, so I think it's all coming together in an interesting way, but you saying that about Ray and interview, I know that I have access to one of them I don't know if that's the one he's referring to, though. 298 00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:27.810 Matthew J Countryman: Your access to one of to interview. 299 00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:31.920 Matthew J Countryman: Is it so, is it a is it a just an audio interview or. 300 00:36:33.030 --> 00:36:41.880 Elizabeth James: it's a video it's he's was interviewed Dr Moody was interviewed they were, it was a series called the history makers. 301 00:36:41.970 --> 00:36:49.410 Matthew J Countryman: Oh, so this is all the history makers okay by the history makers because that's because we have access that's where we've also gotten the footage of. 302 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:52.230 Stephen M Ward: So the car, sir. 303 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:53.610 Matthew J Countryman: Yes, Sir cost. 304 00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:54.660 Elizabeth James: But but. 305 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:55.620 Matthew J Countryman: We didn't have any. 306 00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:05.520 Matthew J Countryman: We wanted to go to them to permission to use that material and we just because of the pandemic, they were not responsive, we need to try, that I think that's one of my on my list for next month, so. 307 00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:07.530 Matthew J Countryman: Stephen. 308 00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:09.960 Stephen M Ward: Mass like five follow up questions. 309 00:37:12.210 --> 00:37:20.730 Stephen M Ward: Go reverse order so for the suitor Casa history makers video taped interview he said, we do have it we don't have permission to use it. 310 00:37:20.970 --> 00:37:28.590 Matthew J Countryman: So we've been able yeah we by purchasing a membership were able to debt to I think download target remind me to here's been. 311 00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:34.170 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Say we've had trouble downloading the the footage. 312 00:37:35.910 --> 00:37:41.490 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: There we like we have a sense of which clips who went to interview them and we can, and all that. 313 00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:47.940 Matthew J Countryman: We were able to access them online and then identified and we haven't been able to do so that's figure out for that. 314 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:49.590 Matthew J Countryman: For the media. 315 00:37:50.370 --> 00:38:03.660 Stephen M Ward: May I, like technically, may I, and just logistically or was free your facts of May I look at those my hat back so let's not use them for anything but just to like research was so Are they in the drug. 316 00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:13.200 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Turkey as Stephen I can send you the login details that we have for our history makers membership and that way you can look at them. 317 00:38:13.620 --> 00:38:15.570 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Okay, and also say the transcripts. 318 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:16.920 Stephen M Ward: Okay, thank you. 319 00:38:17.010 --> 00:38:19.740 Matthew J Countryman: very much like I said we want, we have, we also have a transcript that's awesome. 320 00:38:19.980 --> 00:38:23.100 Stephen M Ward: that's great okay transcript they have they do have the. 321 00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:25.230 Matthew J Countryman: guts okay. 322 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.240 Stephen M Ward: Now for the other follow ups quickly. 323 00:38:29.220 --> 00:38:44.700 Stephen M Ward: beth I recall that the bentley was in conversation with with john's wife right or some some about his material someone's asked how that factors into this i'm also the Rebecca is that Rebecca Madre who's teaching the class. 324 00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:48.600 Elizabeth James: hold on Let me pick in my email right quick. 325 00:38:48.630 --> 00:38:51.390 Elizabeth James: Okay, I think it sooner. 326 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:54.810 Stephen M Ward: or Syria. 327 00:38:55.740 --> 00:38:57.660 Stephen M Ward: Syria Syria. 328 00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:05.610 Stephen M Ward: Another name I don't know if I know her base but she's teaching a class on our murals in Detroit you say. 329 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:08.640 Elizabeth James: Yes, i'll forward it to you. 330 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.790 Elizabeth James: Okay um because it was a. 331 00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:14.010 Matthew J Countryman: barrier right, I mean that's probably who, that is. 332 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:16.140 Matthew J Countryman: yeah she's had really. 333 00:39:16.200 --> 00:39:27.480 Elizabeth James: No, yes, she wants to meet with me because she didn't know that I guess that I knew what I knew and so now she's trying to find out more about. 334 00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:35.370 Elizabeth James: Yet her name's earlier and it's called made in Detroit it's the history of the visual arts and architecture. 335 00:39:36.390 --> 00:39:38.670 Matthew J Countryman: Of course for a while i've actually spoken to it once. 336 00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:40.620 Elizabeth James: hey. 337 00:39:41.070 --> 00:39:42.240 Elizabeth James: super enthusiastic. 338 00:39:42.240 --> 00:39:43.080 Matthew J Countryman: about getting help. 339 00:39:46.020 --> 00:39:46.230 Elizabeth James: We. 340 00:39:46.830 --> 00:39:47.370 Stephen M Ward: need help. 341 00:39:51.540 --> 00:39:52.380 Matthew J Countryman: I wouldn't know. 342 00:39:52.650 --> 00:39:53.460 Stephen M Ward: I wouldn't know. 343 00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:54.600 Stephen M Ward: It. 344 00:39:54.870 --> 00:40:07.890 Elizabeth James: looks like there's a real need for her to be in touch with those who were artists during that era, sadly we've lost Charles mcgee but you know I mean. 345 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:27.540 Elizabeth James: Some of the things she's chronicling the murals right after the rebellion that will the murals that you know we have on all the hair beauty supply shops these the the what I call the grassroots murals of the city she had little knowledge of like the low rider. 346 00:40:27.750 --> 00:40:42.600 Elizabeth James: murals will come out every single the mile you know it was just like I started telling her places where she could find them and that I had worked with Dennis in the rocky when he did his first book that was the first known book about art in public places. 347 00:40:42.870 --> 00:40:54.870 Elizabeth James: in Detroit, but when I worked at the da he had the desk next to mine, so it was like she got really excited because she didn't know you know well, of course, that's old school but also. 348 00:40:55.290 --> 00:41:08.940 Elizabeth James: He was the first person writing about art in Detroit public places, so I have that book, so I told her you know that's something she needs to get Ahold of because he was chronicling things that now there is no longer with us. 349 00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:13.890 Stephen M Ward: Okay well good kimmy posted on that please and then. 350 00:41:14.070 --> 00:41:14.520 Elizabeth James: mm hmm. 351 00:41:15.150 --> 00:41:16.950 Stephen M Ward: Because that's this fall right so petitioner. 352 00:41:19.050 --> 00:41:22.650 Stephen M Ward: So I didn't know we have to use a shooting for a while, I think I knew like no more. 353 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.170 Matthew J Countryman: questions on Detroit in history of art, for me, I don't know how what she does every year or not, but. 354 00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:30.090 Matthew J Countryman: she's done it before. 355 00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:31.290 Stephen M Ward: I. 356 00:41:31.950 --> 00:41:32.640 Matthew J Countryman: Think, at least. 357 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:34.260 Stephen M Ward: Okay, the last. 358 00:41:36.060 --> 00:41:42.210 Stephen M Ward: last thing, as you said that boom is going to have a rohmer bearden exhibit in the fall as well. 359 00:41:42.540 --> 00:41:52.410 Elizabeth James: yeah I can quickly just tell you the three that they went over with me hold on, let me just grab my notes from this week there's going to be. 360 00:41:55.020 --> 00:42:10.680 Elizabeth James: i'm sorry i'm just trying to get to that page where they were going over with me there the different exhibits there's one that oversees done called unsettling histories that talks about like how the recreate patriot nation of the. 361 00:42:11.820 --> 00:42:24.030 Elizabeth James: pieces like they are doing with the British Museum and those types of issues there is going to also the one that is dealing with. 362 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:48.510 Elizabeth James: The one where they're totally reopening the curtis collection, they want to do an exhibit of the curtis collection, which is going to come later, once they get you know some sense of what they're up to with that and then. 363 00:42:50.790 --> 00:42:52.380 Elizabeth James: there's a third one. 364 00:42:53.730 --> 00:42:57.000 Elizabeth James: Oh, my goodness, you know what i'll send them to you i'll send you off. 365 00:42:57.630 --> 00:43:04.200 Elizabeth James: Because they want to be in closer contact with us because they've got so many that are going to be coming up. 366 00:43:04.590 --> 00:43:25.650 Elizabeth James: And I was really I was so pleased Oh, here they are the the curtis collection the diasporic collection is going to reopen in the fall unsettling histories is opening in the fall and then the romar bearden is going to open in February of 2022 and run through May. 367 00:43:26.610 --> 00:43:28.350 Okay, thank you. 368 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:42.180 Matthew J Countryman: Actually that's a great segue so one of the things that i'm Ray encouraged me to move towards the top of our list would be an interview with Dr curtis. 369 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:54.600 Matthew J Countryman: And, and so, and I talked about this and Wayne wanted me to make sure to say it into check with you beth whether you thought, whether you were you would share the view that he would be excited by that possible. 370 00:43:55.500 --> 00:44:07.980 Elizabeth James: I think so he's so, and this is the time of year when he's back in Michigan he lives in Mexico from March and then he comes back to Michigan though I don't know, since it. 371 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:08.700 Elizabeth James: was not the best. 372 00:44:08.970 --> 00:44:09.540 Matthew J Countryman: way to do it. 373 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:19.500 Elizabeth James: At a State dinner with this is no government but um but yeah, so I think I totally agree and. 374 00:44:20.070 --> 00:44:36.120 Elizabeth James: I mean the warm feelings, he has he the last time I spoke to him, he was like how's that young man cuz he was still talking about you, Stephen when you had done, you know the tribute to him at graduation, he was a pose that fine young man who. 375 00:44:38.910 --> 00:44:40.470 Matthew J Countryman: All this young black Professor. 376 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:42.720 Stephen M Ward: So you. 377 00:44:44.670 --> 00:44:45.780 Helen Garbarino: Get that too much anymore. 378 00:44:47.430 --> 00:44:50.250 Elizabeth James: Well, compared to what he's going to be 97. 379 00:44:51.210 --> 00:44:52.050 Helen Garbarino: So young. 380 00:44:52.140 --> 00:44:58.170 Helen Garbarino: actor so surprised how quick that man can walk he was really not works everywhere. 381 00:44:59.490 --> 00:45:05.340 Elizabeth James: Every and yeah cuz he just had a piece going to have a birthday April 24. 382 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.990 Elizabeth James: So agreed to I gotta remember but. 383 00:45:10.230 --> 00:45:11.790 Helen Garbarino: I have pictures of the kids. 384 00:45:12.210 --> 00:45:13.080 From the choir. 385 00:45:15.540 --> 00:45:21.210 Matthew J Countryman: So let's put him at the top of the list for the summer, along with Ross and shaffer's. 386 00:45:22.710 --> 00:45:31.560 Matthew J Countryman: So obviously not me i'm not able to think about anything, right now, until we get to the Semester, but but to me let's work on getting those at the top of our list. 387 00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:38.880 Elizabeth James: Well they'll all be three alumni. 388 00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:40.980 Matthew J Countryman: Of you mm hmm. 389 00:45:41.910 --> 00:45:42.780 wow. 390 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:48.780 Matthew J Countryman: Well that's I think all the things I had them. 391 00:45:51.030 --> 00:46:00.690 Matthew J Countryman: Oh i'm just actually again not I don't know if it doesn't need to be quite the top of list, but, as I did go to the session from the mission comma organizers. 392 00:46:02.730 --> 00:46:05.490 Matthew J Countryman: which was very interesting, but I thought. 393 00:46:08.730 --> 00:46:10.740 Matthew J Countryman: You know that there were that the. 394 00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:18.450 Matthew J Countryman: African American Muslims who were in the conversation I would love for us to be able to interview them, I thought they were very good and very interesting. 395 00:46:18.510 --> 00:46:18.870 And so. 396 00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:22.500 Elizabeth James: They were DAS majors. 397 00:46:22.530 --> 00:46:23.010 Riley. 398 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.100 Elizabeth James: mulligan Sabrina for sure. 399 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.400 Matthew J Countryman: And I thought, well, I thought the session was interesting. 400 00:46:30.570 --> 00:46:33.270 Matthew J Countryman: It wouldn't be a substitute for interviewing interviews with them. 401 00:46:33.330 --> 00:46:36.660 Matthew J Countryman: We want to ask you have different so that's so I. 402 00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.730 Matthew J Countryman: Definitely keep them on the list as well. 403 00:46:39.180 --> 00:46:41.610 Elizabeth James: yeah when we decompress afterwards. 404 00:46:42.630 --> 00:46:43.560 Elizabeth James: I was kind of. 405 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:45.900 Elizabeth James: surprised at. 406 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:50.100 Elizabeth James: How some of our younger. 407 00:46:51.930 --> 00:46:53.730 Elizabeth James: panelists kind of. 408 00:46:54.870 --> 00:47:10.320 Elizabeth James: took over and started speaking about what they were doing when I thought the intent was to talk about the Tower takeover so it was a little weird there for a while, but afterwards, when we decompress the conversation with so rich and. 409 00:47:10.590 --> 00:47:12.240 Elizabeth James: So meaningful that. 410 00:47:12.750 --> 00:47:22.410 Elizabeth James: I felt kind of badly that everybody gone and you don't was like wow now it's really good so yeah I agree, I totally agree. 411 00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:31.440 Matthew J Countryman: Right well anything else, someone folks need to bring up or want to bring up. 412 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.730 Helen Garbarino: No, but I did put the flint murals if anyone goes. 413 00:47:36.570 --> 00:47:41.280 Helen Garbarino: wonderous I love them, so if you get a chance and you're in the area definitely we're seeing. 414 00:47:46.590 --> 00:47:49.470 Matthew J Countryman: beth and we can you both hang on a second i'm. 415 00:47:50.370 --> 00:47:51.120 Matthew J Countryman: And i'm gonna. 416 00:47:52.740 --> 00:47:53.460 Matthew J Countryman: Let everybody else go. 417 00:47:54.660 --> 00:47:55.200 Matthew J Countryman: Thank you. 418 00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:56.280 Matthew J Countryman: Have a great weekend. 419 00:47:56.580 --> 00:47:57.000 Ashley Marie Hayes: You too. 420 00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:58.230 Ashley Marie Hayes: Good. 421 00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:00.000 Tara Mondesi Weinberg: Happy everyone take care. 422 00:48:01.140 --> 00:48:02.040 Elizabeth James: bye bye. 423 00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:14.850 Arielle Chen: Oh, I hope that the recording is saving my cloud because I didn't I didn't realize that I would no longer have a recording access when I made when hope co hosts. 424 00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:19.350 Arielle Chen: hope you have a good weekend everybody. 425 00:48:19.830 --> 00:48:20.490 Matthew J Countryman: bye yo. 426 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.820 Wayne High: yo I can't seem to stop it either. 427 00:48:24.810 --> 00:48:28.950 Elizabeth James: Oh, I think she's gone and now you've lost your head. 428 00:48:29.100 --> 00:48:29.820 Matthew J Countryman: Now she's back. 429 00:48:30.120 --> 00:48:31.080 Elizabeth James: Oh now she's back. 430 00:48:35.220 --> 00:48:39.090 Matthew J Countryman: yeah would be good to stop the recording before I asked the question I want to ask so. 431 00:48:40.170 --> 00:48:41.910 Arielle Chen: sorry about that did you believe anyway. 432 00:48:42.210 --> 00:48:44.010 Wayne High: yeah what you please stop the recording.